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 Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: The mistakes of the past/true colors |
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| Good to know even more about him. Thank you. |
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Inquiring Mind
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: I STILL wanna know! |
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| When Big John left council the stated reason was that he had been promoted at the post office and was going to be busy. However, post office insiders later said he WASN'T promoted. So John, what happened? Were you promoted or not? If not, why did you lie to the council and the public about it? And what was your real reason for quitting? Or did you get a promotion that was rescinded (though the insider didn't seem to think you'd been offered a promotion)? You have a responsibility to explain your self to the voting public, John, since you stated things in public that apparently weren't true. After all, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and if you're going to demand honesty from others in the public arena (although we find out we already GOT honesty from them) then we have a right to honesty from YOU. We all KNOW you're reading the Stick, John, so we'll expect your answer here. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Not in this lifetime. He's a coward. |
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heard that before...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: This is an exciting time for Edgewater... |
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The last time McCloskey said, "this is an exciting time for Edgewater" he tried to shove 155 units of high density housing down our throats and we lost our recreation center in the process. You can thank him for that too, when your kids have no where safe to play.
Now he wants another go at it?
No way.
No thanks.
PS I STILL wanna know TOO |
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Guest at 7:41
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Gee, "heard that before", do you know ANYTHING about the public process? Mr. McCloskey was on a COMMITTEE appointed to find a solution for what to do with 20th and Depew. A Committee means more than one person! That Committee sent out Requests for Proposals, and presented what they received to the citizens of Edgewater. Mr. McCloskey didn't write any of those proposals -- they came from professional developers in Denver who actually have some experience with building projects and knowing what it takes financially to work in the long run. Council could have worked with them to get a recreation center or police station built into the project. It was up to the Council to choose one, but they did nothing.
No, I am not Mr. McCloskey nor do I even know him. I'm just someone who gets tired of people making accusations based on wild assumptions and totally lacking any fact. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Guest at 7:41.
Perhaps you should learn more about the Edgewater 'political process' that went on during McCloskeys term. A very good lesson in governmental corruption.
If you don't know McCloskey, you are better off for it. If you plan to vote in this election, and want to check that box next to his name, then I suggest you get to know him. I suggest a 10 minute conversation. That is usually enough to figure out his character. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Guest at 7:41 wrote: | Gee, "heard that before", do you know ANYTHING about the public process? Mr. McCloskey was on a COMMITTEE appointed to find a solution for what to do with 20th and Depew. A Committee means more than one person! That Committee sent out Requests for Proposals, and presented what they received to the citizens of Edgewater. Mr. McCloskey didn't write any of those proposals -- they came from professional developers in Denver who actually have some experience with building projects and knowing what it takes financially to work in the long run. Council could have worked with them to get a recreation center or police station built into the project. It was up to the Council to choose one, but they did nothing.
No, I am not Mr. McCloskey nor do I even know him. I'm just someone who gets tired of people making accusations based on wild assumptions and totally lacking any fact. |
You make a good point. This tread seems to be nothing but sour grapes and raw emotion. If these posters acutally produced some facts instead of feelings it might make for a better debate. I think you are right. John was one of many. Council had the final say. High density housing did not happen. The system seemed to have worked for those who opposed the housing. It failed for those who supported the housing. Public process works the way it works. What does that have to do with “Big John”? |
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Just the facts
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: Facts, facts, facts |
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Fact Check
Point 1. | Quote: | | "There seems to be a common thread that unites the incumbents and Mr. McCloskey. |
Not true. None of the Council persons presently serving, were on Council when Mr.McCloskey was on Council. It was during Mr. McCloskey's term as Council President that he and former Mayor Bob Prewitt negotiated the sale and rental agreement that has given us our present headache with the police station. That was way before this Council's time. FACT
Point 2. The 20th and Depew committee was a Mayor's committee formed by for Mayor Prewitt and his right hand man, McCloskey, and McCloskey interviewed the members of the committee, his wife, the mayor's wife, two other Councilpersons (Nelson McNulty and Sara Cassiday), one ERA member and one ordinary citizen. These "mayor's committees" are no longer allowed under our current Charter. It doesn't take a genius to see why the make up of this committee might pose a problem. No minutes were taken, the rest of Council had to rely on whatever the Mayor reported to them during Mayor's comment at City Council meetings. FACT
Although the 20th. and Depew meetings were posted and open to the public, no one from the community ever attended until the community became alarmed. So, they met for about 6 months, under the radar, without any written record of the proceedings but not behind closed doors. FACT
Point 3. Mr. Bertapelle's commitment to his community was so strong that he wished to serve on Council and occupy a higher level position with the Fire Dept. that would better utilize his valuable skills in medicine. Unfortunately, the current Charter didn't allow him to hold both positions at once. That was a very public proceeding in Council. I don't know what closed doors you could be referring to. It was even widely debated on the Talking Stick and it's still in the archives, look for yourself. FACT
Point 4. The City Attorney invited City Staff and the City Council and friends to attend a baseball game, as a gesture of teambuilding and an opportunity to get to know each other in a less formal place outside of Council chambers. Please refer to Councilperson Gardner's post at the top of this topic that footnotes the precise piece of legislation that states this is completely OK! FACT |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| That building was never a police station, but rather a converted meat market that has become a joke amoung citizens and criminals alike. I'm not sure who I can support amid all the accusations but I know that I like someone who does something other than talk. I have not seen anythng done with 20th and Depew yet. I know we have a recession but I wonder if the other plan would have been implemented by now under other leadership. Who ever can fix our problems will get my vote. Everytime I look at that poor excuse of a rented shack we call a police department I'm embarassed for us all because it represents Edgewater as a whole. |
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McCloskey''s flyer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: and his trouble with facts |
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This thread began to clear up a falsehood made and distributed to every door step in Edgewater, by Mr. McCloskey.
Clearly a number of people feel strongly about him but let's not forget how this started.
I believe Adam Gardner's statement at the beginning of this thread would be a timely and appropriate reminder at this point.
It too, is fact.
I would call on Mr McCloskey to retract his accusations and apologize to the candidates he attempted to harm with these false accusations.
If readers feel compelled to discuss Mr. McCloskey's character it is only because he has tried once again to manipulate the facts.
Councilman Gardner's statement
| Quote: | Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: Open Letter To The Community
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Dear Neighbors,
Some of you may have received a campaign flyer on your door from City Council Candidate John McCloskey.
Many of you may be wondering about the accusation he leveled against the members of City Council.
Unfortunately, the sort of defamation of character Mr. McCloskey has caused cannot easily be undone. Printing a response flyer and delivering it around the city is both cost and time prohibitive. Further, such protestations would likely only further the unfortunate downturn this campaign season has taken. I appeal to all, both those who have been defamed, and those who have previous negative experiences with Mr. McCloskey to take a calm and reasoned approach. I have great faith in the voters of this community that they can see through these false accusations.
No member of Council has been illegally influenced by gifts from our current City Attorney. The current City Attorney is honest to a fault, and would never seek to exert undue influence.
The event to which Mr. McCloskey refers was a team-building experience, where members of Council, the Mayor, the City Manager, and all Department Heads, and guests of the same (spouses, etc.) were invited to attend a Rockies game in a luxury box at Coors Field. This is explicitly allowed by Edgewater's code of ethics which is embodied in the City Charter and Article 8 of Chapter 2 of the Edgewater Municipal Code (http://www.colocode.com/edgewater.html), which reads in part as follows:
2-8-30(b) Officials, employees and members of their immediate family may accept the following even if the official or employee is in a position to take official action with regard to the donor or if the official or employee has an existing, ongoing or pending contract, business or regulatory relationship with the donor:
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(8)Items of perishable or nonpermanent value, including but not limited to meals, lodging or tickets to sporting, recreational educational or cultural events; |
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