We Tortured

Sad Day · We Tortured

and now our soldiers will never be safe from torture.
We, the country who sets the example, set the wrong example in the last administration. How can we not prosecute the torturers? Reading in the Economist the other day I learned since the USA tortured so did Britian, Germany, Autralia and France have a hand in this. It is tragic the Geneva Conventions have fallen. If we don't prosecute many young men and women will be in far more danger from now on.
It's a sad day.

Guest

You could give those rag heads a million dollars and feed them for the rest of thier lives and they would still cut your head off because they hate you. Your just a typical weak liberal who will be one of the first to go because your incapable of caring for yourself.

Guest · However

I am entitled to my opinion. I'll thank you not to respond to it. Just state your case and I'll state mine. I frankly don't care in the least what you think about what I said.

Patriot

I suppose what happened to 3,000 human lives on September 11, 2001 does not qualify as torture. What about all of the beheading of journalists? How about the Taliban throwing acid on little girls in Afghanistan who were on their way to school? Or the stoning death of a 15 year old rape victim?
I guess it's all in your perspective of what torture is. One thing is for sure, Obama has let the enemy know our interrogation methods so they may train for it in case of capture. That information is classified for a reason, regardless of whether we use torture or not. In my opinion, that constitutes an act of treason.

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Patriot

True Patriots always smile.

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You are so correct Patriot God Bless You. When 911 occurred I never thought America would forget those jumping from the trade center to keep from being burned to death. I was wrong and now it seems the liberal segment of our society is siding with those who would destroy us all. God help us defeat this administration.

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Unfortunately we can not defeat the current , so called, administration. Obama is your and my dully elected President. What we can do is turn out the vote in 2010 to dethrone Queen Pelosi, Count Barney Frank and most of the rest of this ill gotten Congress. That will make it a little harder for the Messiah to push forward his socialist agenda. For that to happen the Republicans need to reestablish their roots with the conservative base and attract conservative Independents, such as myself, to their candidates.
I know these times are disheartening for True Patriots such as yourself but stay strong. It was a momentary lapse in judgement by the voters. Obama is losing his approval rating faster than a Disney star posing for Hustler. The word is that another Tea Party is planned for Independence Day, plan on being there. I'll post details as they come available.
Back on topic: That scum down in Gitmo are going to wish they were back in that island paradise when they have spent a night or two in Supermax. Since they are "enemy combatants" I think they should be sent to the military prison at Fort Leavenworth, that's a fun place. There are worse fates than a little water boarding in our Federal Prison system.

Patriot

I was the last poster. Talking about the Geneva Convention here is a news break from the Associated Press dated April 22, 2009:

The Obama administration has asked a federal judge to throw out a lawsuit against Iran filed by Americans held hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran 30 years ago.
The request comes in a $6.6 billion class-action lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Washington. Fifty-two American diplomats and military officials were held captive for more than a year at the end of Jimmy Carter's presidency by a group of Islamist students who supported the Iranian revolution.
The hostages were released on Jan. 20, 1981, just minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn in as the new president.
In court papers filed Tuesday night without any announcement, the Justice Department argued that the agreement to release the hostages, known as the Algiers Accords, precluded lawsuits against Iran.
A similar lawsuit brought by the Iranian hostages was dismissed in 2000 after the government successfully argued it was banned by the Algiers Accords. The hostages argue that legislation passed by Congress last year and signed into law by President George W. Bush gives them the right to bring private lawsuits.
But the Justice Department argued that the law does not mention the Algiers Accords, much less explicitly repeal them.
"The gratitude of the United States for the service and dedication of these brave individuals cannot be overstated, nor can the suffering and abuse they endured on behalf of this country be exaggerated; these matters are beyond dispute," the Justice Department wrote in its filing.
The hostages argue that Iran supported their confinement and abuse, with visits from government officials, stays in government prisons and buildings and threats of trial in Iranian courts. The lawsuit says current Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was one of their interrogators.
The lawsuit says the hostages were tortured, beaten sometimes until they lost consciousness and kept in fear of their lives, at times even lined up in front of marksmen locking their guns. It says they were imprisoned without adequate food, clothing or medical care, blindfolded with their hands tied, interrogated for hours at a time and kept in isolation for months at a time.
The original plaintiffs are three of the hostages -- Charles Scott of Jonesboro, Ga., David Roeder of Alexandria, Va., and Don Sharer of Mansfield, Texas -- and the wife and daughter of another hostage, Barry Rosen, from New York City.
These were diplomats taken from an American embassy. And somebody is worried about a little water boarding of known terrorist.

Guest

Thank you Patriot. With Gods help in November we can begin to take back part of this great Nation.

For any Patriots wo are interested, Glen Beck will be in Denver June 1st. Tickets will go on sale to the public this week.

See you at the show.

A Progressive

Patriot
I hate to admit it but I agree with most of your argument on the handling of the terrorist interrogations. I too remember 911. I also remember it happened on George W Bush's watch. I know you are thinking it was a hang over from the Clinton administration. Keep that in mind as you evaluate Barrack Obama's performance over the next nine months.

Patriot

Now that's what I'm talking about! A civil discourse without the usual Liberal vitriol. Progressive is a True Patriot (a misguided Liberal True Patriot to be sure) but a True Patriot. Be careful Progressive "They" may be watching you.

Lenny Bruce · Glenn Beck Is A Standup Comic

His tour is a standup comedy routine. Really..... Hopefully he'll cry like he does on the air.. A true patriot....

Bill Maher

From the Los Angeles Times:

The GOP: divorced from reality

The Republican base is behaving like a guy who just got dumped by his wife.

By Bill Maher
April 24, 2009

If conservatives don't want to be seen as bitter people who cling to their guns and religion and anti-immigrant sentiments, they should stop being bitter and clinging to their guns, religion and anti-immigrant sentiments.

It's been a week now, and I still don't know what those "tea bag" protests were about. I saw signs protesting abortion, illegal immigrants, the bank bailout and that gay guy who's going to win "American Idol." But it wasn't tax day that made them crazy; it was election day. Because that's when Republicans became what they fear most: a minority.

The conservative base is absolutely apoplectic because, because ... well, nobody knows. They're mad as hell, and they're not going to take it anymore. Even though they're not quite sure what "it" is. But they know they're fed up with "it," and that "it" has got to stop.

Here are the big issues for normal people: the war, the economy, the environment, mending fences with our enemies and allies, and the rule of law.

And here's the list of Republican obsessions since President Obama took office: that his birth certificate is supposedly fake, he uses a teleprompter too much, he bowed to a Saudi guy, Europeans like him, he gives inappropriate gifts, his wife shamelessly flaunts her upper arms, and he shook hands with Hugo Chavez and slipped him the nuclear launch codes.

Do these sound like the concerns of a healthy, vibrant political party?

It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only they understand. Like Trekkies, but paranoid.

The GOP base is convinced that Obama is going to raise their taxes, which he just lowered. But, you say, "Bill, that's just the fringe of the Republican Party." No, it's not. The governor of Texas, Rick Perry, is not afraid to say publicly that thinking out loud about Texas seceding from the Union is appropriate considering that ... Obama wants to raise taxes 3% on 5% of the people? I'm not sure exactly what Perry's independent nation would look like, but I'm pretty sure it would be free of taxes and Planned Parenthood. And I would have to totally rethink my position on a border fence.

I know. It's not about what Obama's done. It's what he's planning. But you can't be sick and tired of something someone might do.

Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota recently said she fears that Obama will build "reeducation" camps to indoctrinate young people. But Obama hasn't made any moves toward taking anyone's guns, and with money as tight as it is, the last thing the president wants to do is run a camp where he has to shelter and feed a bunch of fat, angry white people.

Look, I get it, "real America." After an eight-year run of controlling the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court, this latest election has you feeling like a rejected husband. You've come home to find your things out on the front lawn -- or at least more things than you usually keep out on the front lawn. You're not ready to let go, but the country you love is moving on. And now you want to call it a whore and key its car.

That's what you are, the bitter divorced guy whose country has left him -- obsessing over it, haranguing it, blubbering one minute about how much you love it and vowing the next that if you cannot have it, nobody will.

But it's been almost 100 days, and your country is not coming back to you. She's found somebody new. And it's a black guy.

The healthy thing to do is to just get past it and learn to cherish the memories. You'll always have New Orleans and Abu Ghraib.

And if today's conservatives are insulted by this, because they feel they're better than the people who have the microphone in their party, then I say to them what I would say to moderate Muslims: Denounce your radicals. To paraphrase George W. Bush, either you're with them or you're embarrassed by them.

The thing that you people out of power have to remember is that the people in power are not secretly plotting against you. They don't need to. They already beat you in public.

Bill Maher is the host of HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher."

Hey Patriot · Look at your old posts.....

You made it very clear you are uncomfortable with a black american being president. I was wondering if the black emoticon was a signal????? We also know you hate mexicans.....How about Jews????

Guest

You know nothing of Patriotism let alone Americanism. I suggest you go back to public school and start all over. Oh I forgot public school is where it all started for you. Sorry!!!!!

Guest

That was meant for the previous three posters in case they couldn't figure it out.

Guest

Lenny Bruce,

Glad to see your watching and visting his web site. It's nice to be informed.

Guest

Our cops house prisoners in a cramped space with no toilet and let them roll around in thier own human waste. I don't see anyones nose getting out of joint because of that.

Multiple Personalities??? · Patriot is posing as guests

Duh! Look at the posts and times.He or she is posting under three labels to support racism,hate and really scary shit..... You have to wonder about someone that posts in the third party to answer themselves. But hey this is Edgewater. Anything goes.... How about this forum requires a name and url address.... And for all you hate mongers your address can be found off a posting...Hey patriot(gag) you hate blacks,mexicans. How about asians and jews??? Move to Texas.....Malcom X We already know your opinions of Muslims.... You spent alot of time on that black emoticon....Do you feel proud???? Oh...By the wayI have ?? of advanced education. Remember advanced education is after elementary education... Why dont you step up and let us all know your name??? Give some credibility to all that hate :)(:

Kendall St

I did not see anything offensive that the Patriot Posted. You mention a race hater but not from any of the Patriot posts I read. Try growing up and respect all opinions instead of just your own.

woo woo

Co Exist people

Patriot

I have no problem with the poster called Multi Personalities??? . It's freedom of speech. I can only say that the Emoticon I choose was more intended to represent oppressive power. I am hardly a racist. All of the ethnic and religious groups mentioned are to be found in my immediate family not to mention that one of my children is openly gay. They do not have a problem with me nor I them. Probably because we look beyond all those monikers and deal with each other as people. Content of character, that is the most important thing when judging a person or even a President for that matter. I do find it interesting that MP??? makes assumptions upon my race without ever having meet me. I think he/she would be a little set back, truth be known. Now lets see, who is the RNC Chairman? Oh, that would be MIchael Steele, an African American and a True Patriot.
I'm not even a specist, I even like Smurfs

, kitties

, bunnies

and frogs

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The Patriot represents a large and growing segment of this Country which is tired of a Government which does not listen to the people.

A Government that fears it's people = FREEDOM

People that fear the Government = TRYANNY

Guest

The Patriot and like posters don't represent a large and fast growing segment, but a segment that lost power, after years of abuse. They want it back. Their speeches and constant rants against our current President and leaders do not equate with freedom. They preach to disloyalty to our current government and condone the past abuse of power that has led to a world wide financial catastrophy. They frighten me and further tear our country apart.

Change is in the air. At last. To those who wish to return to the power of the old guard, we the people have had our eyes opened. We're mad and we're not gonna take it anymore. Change is in the air.

The inherent purpose of our government is to make sure we all are equal, that we all have choices and we all have the chance to be the greatest we can be or want to be. The past government and world financial-mongers need to understand this.

I, too, love all the creatures of this world, but more importantly I love all the people of this world. Change is in the air.

Guest

I assume that's the same disloyalty Clinton showed the American people when he lied about having sex with his intern. The same disloyalty Clinton showed when our troops were killed in Somalia and the next week he was befriending the leader that caused it. The same disloyality Clinton showed when the USS Cole was attacked and he didn't do anything to avenge the sailors deaths. The same disloyality Clinton showed when he knew where Osama Bin Laden was but never had to guts to have him killed. Yea I can see your big on loyality maby to your right hand but thats about it.

Blow job, 5,000 Deaths · Linda lovelace

Patriot has stated that when civilisation dissolves. The lefties will be dying in the streets as the far right rubs their hands saying WE WERE Right.... Bands of criminals will be killing families and THE PATRIOT will be saying they were left. THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN PATRIOT... What I thought an American was is that even with differences WE STAND TOGETHER. What the patriot describes is facism.... His posts before the election were anti black,muslim,mexican...Notice he has not answered any questions about hate????If he/she is so proud and believes in his/her convictions run for city council on these principals.... Not going to happen .Hate mongers hide their intentions... Hate like this makes this board and town pathetic. How much of this racist dogma would be voiced with a confirmed name at the end????? None

Guest

Your rant is far worse than the Patriots. The Patriot is a true American.

Charles S Brown

I agree with the Patriot and I am not afraid to identify myself. Charles S Brown I live on Gray St.

Patriot

I have never shown a disdain for any American Citizen because of his or hers race, creed or color. Not before the election, not during and not after. I do not believe in a One World Order. The USA owes nothing to Mexico and it's Mexican Citizens violating our sovereignty. That is a nationalist problem, Mexican is not a race. There is a vast group of Americans, who have been here for over 400 years called Latino or Hispanic. They are True Patriots. There are millions of African Americans upon whose shoulders this great Nation owes a debt of gratitude. They also are true Patriots. The Native Americans made the ultimate sacrifice as their lands were taken from them. They are True Patriots. And many, many more of every race, creed and color who came here legally. Everyone of them can be True Patriots and live the American Dream. There are no reparations, no paybacks for days long gone. The pain of my Grandfather will not be visited upon your Grandfathers descendants. That is the True Patriotic pride. That flag of red, white and blue is your flag as much as mine. Will you defend it? Or will you apologize for it and diminish the many sacrifices made by your ancestors? Are you a True Patriot?

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Eloquently Stated !

You are a true Patriot

Patriot

Guest April 25th 4:429 pm said:

Guest

This thread scares me a little, but I have to adamantly disagree with the notion that government’s job is to ‘make sure we are all equal’. Being treated equally is considered an entitlement owed to each of us. To be made equal would mean that we would each be striped down to the lowest common denominator. The gifted child should not be stifled in an attempt the make the challenged children appear to be equal.

Patriot ID · very scary in edgewater

Gee Charlie Bown.... Lucy the patriot is is still hiding..... But us lefty POS have ID'd that person. We are the ones that will be begging the right wing crazies and denouncing all our beliefs to be saved by the True Patriots you included... A clue: Paranoia had this person sue the Edgewater Police Department... Actually The Patriot should run for Mayor....

Patriot

The Patriot never sued the EPD. Somebody has their wires mixed up.

Patriot

Charles S Brown,

Don't let them intimidate you Charlie. You are a True Patriot and I support your pride, courage and Gadsden Flag.

History Lesson... · Europe 1938

Your beliefs are scary. Your same speeches about true Patriots were voiced by a little austrian man. Your sentences are very similar in that only a true patriot holds our beliefs. He actually used the word german patriots.He also talked about rising above and taking the country on the right track.... Well we lefties are watching along with the ADL.... Oh by the way when you only accept one way of thinking its called "FACISM".... But the patriot was never elected to council either was she......

Patriot

Just because Hitler was evil it did not make Stalin good. I have no use for either personally. Other than that I have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about but, I support your right to talk about whatever it is that you are talking about.

Patriot

One of my most favorite True Patriots is Dr. Martin Luther King. The part I like most upon the argument he puts forth and ,the part I identify with most, is his understanding of the race of mankind versus the races of mankind. That a man (person) will be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
Yes, in my minds eye, Dr. Martin Luther King is a True Patriot, whom paid the ultimate price to enable me to aspire to the American Dream. He never offered it up on a silver platter, he only wanted an equal chance. His dream is alive and well in America and is supported by any True Patriot.
So don't lecture me about racism under the guise of political opportunism. Been there done that!
Sorry for the multiple posts. I needed to respond.

We Tortured

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FYI

Glenn Beck Is A Standup Comic

Look at your old posts.....

Patriot is posing as guests

Linda lovelace

very scary in edgewater

Europe 1938