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Misinformed
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The City's New WebsiteI appreciate that the ‘new’ city website is under construction but I don’t understand why such and incredible amount of misinformation is being transferred for the old one to the new one. This is an opportunity to clean up some very bad communications to the public and instead the city is just regurgitating the same old **** . While the list of bad information may seem somewhat limited it represents almost the ALL of the information published. Examples:
The city isn’t using the 2003 International Building Code series
The city apparently does NOT require building permits for siding projects (this was a recent topic of public concern)
The Planning & Zoning board does not have two vacancies. (while other boards and commission do have several openings)
Recycling bins are NOT located at the elementary school or the Masonic building
I would guess the most used feature of the website is access to agendas and minutes. Not only are these not available on the new site they have been removed from the old one as well.
If the point is to keep people in the dark and guessing their way through our odd little practices we are doing a damn fine job. Tradition maybe?
It’s not all bad though - the Links page is cool.
Is this something the city even cares about? Or do I need to just bury the dead horse and move on?
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duha
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where have you been both site have been like that for 2 weeks now!
surprised I'm not
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city site
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Why not email or call council, mayor and city clerk to let them know the errors and wrong, incompete information on the site while it is under construction rather than waiting til the person(s) building the site are long gone. Maybe with enough feedback, it will be made into a site our city can be proud of. The citizens and community really need to have some form of "good and accurate" information and communication. At least it has begun.
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duah
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sent the emails 2 weeks ago and havent heard form the clerk ,
it was even brought up at the last council meeting but ,
the mayor was not there .
SUPRISE
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Noper
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Don't botherMayor McNutty herself determined that the city needed a new web-site. No discussion with anyone of course, just herself being the big honcho.
Then, she looked long and hard for a qualified person to handle the job, refused to talk this over with anyone either, and settled on having her son do the work. What a surprise. To be fair, her son is doing whatever he is doing for free. It seems to be worth every penny.
Recall the mayor now. let's take some pride in our town again.
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Guest
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I am not a big fan of our mayor. She has been a definite disappointment - HOWEVER - I do have to give her credit for finding someone to redo the website for free. THe old one has been a disaster and if her son is capable of redoing it properly, then more power to him and to her. Nothing wrong with a little free work, especially with our towns budget. If it isn't really a part of the governing or policing of the town, then I truly think that a small town should utilize volunteers to the best of thier abilities.
That said, I also think we have a right to be choosy.
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is it really free
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I know I saw in the Mayors budget a line item for web page design. to the tune of if I remember correctly $15,000.
How free is that?
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Guest
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Just it is a line item on the budget doesn't mean she have it to her son. That money has to last the whole year for maintaining the site.
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Guest
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I do believe that line item was zeroed out.
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Citizen
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Considering the fact that the New Charter allows publishing to be done on the City Website rather than in a newspaper there is a signifigant cost savings factor here. Right now there is nothing on the City website of any great importance. They should have completed the redesign before replacing the old site. The new site could be under construction for a few days, a few months or, Gasp, never completed at all.
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Guest
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“...the New Charter allows publishing to be done on the City Website rather than in a newspaper...”
Close by not quite. The charter says that the website may be designated as an official posting place. We still need to publish in newspapers of adequate circulation. Posting and publishing are two different things.
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help me find it
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could one of you who know the where abouts of the provision for publication of ordinances. etc . in the New Charter, help me find it. I know its in there somewhere. What section would I find it under? Thank you , thank you, thank you. I keep scimming the charter and keep missing it I guess.  going bug eyed hunting for it.
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Guest
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the site has been like that for 3 weeks now, what make you think its going to get fixed anytime soon?
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Guest
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theme du jour | Anonymous wrote: | | the site has been like that for 3 weeks now, what make you think its going to get fixed anytime soon? |
Hope for a Change
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guest at 8:42
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To guest at 5:55 yesterday, I believe that it is state statutes that provide provisions for publication of ordinances. I don't think that's in the Charter.
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Guest
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| help me find it wrote: | | could one of you who know the where abouts of the provision for publication of ordinances. etc . in the New Charter, help me find it. I know its in there somewhere. What section would I find it under? Thank you , thank you, thank you. I keep scimming the charter and keep missing it I guess. going bug eyed hunting for it. |
Is this what you are looking for?
ARTICLE VI. ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS, AND MOTIONS
6.5 Procedure for passage. The course that an ordinance shall take for passage shall be:
(1) Introduction at any regular or special meeting by any member of Council, or by petition of the people as provided by this Charter.
(2) Reading may be done by title only unless any single member of Council objects, in which case, reading shall be done in full. If the ordinance is read by title only, a general summary of the ordinance shall also be read and at least one (1) copy of the ordinance shall be available for review by the public during the meeting at which the ordinance is considered.
(3) Passage or rejection on first reading by vote of the Council.
(4) If passed on first reading, the ordinance shall be posted and published in full, except as otherwise provided in this Charter.
(5) Second reading at a meeting not held earlier than seven (7) days after publication for final passage or rejection by vote of the Council. Reading may be done by title only unless any single member of Council objects, in which case, reading shall be done in full. If the ordinance is read by title only, a general summary of the ordinance shall also be read and at least one (1) copy of the ordinance shall be available for review by the public during the meeting at which the ordinance is considered. An ordinance may be amended before final passage by a vote of the Council.
(6) Following second reading, the ordinance shall be posted and published either in full or by title, except that if the ordinance is amended prior to final passage, any amendment shall be published in full, and except that any penalty contained in the ordinance shall be published in full.
(7) An emergency ordinance necessary for the immediate preservation of public property, health, welfare, peace, or safety, or the financial well-being of the City shall require at least five (5) affirmative votes and may be finally adopted at the same meeting in which it is introduced. The facts showing the need for the emergency ordinance shall be specifically stated in the ordinance. The Council’s determination as to the need for the emergency ordinance shall be final and conclusive on the question. An emergency ordinance shall take effect upon signature by the Mayor following adoption.
( No ordinance granting, renewing, or amending any franchise, initially imposing a tax, selling real property of the city, or fixing rates charged by any municipal utility system, shall be adopted as an emergency ordinance.
(9) The unintentional failure to publish an ordinance shall not affect the validity or enforceability of the ordinance.
(...I have no idea why putting the number eight in ( ) turns into an emoticon...)
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help me find it
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Thank you both---guest at 9:49 and 8:42. I was told that the new Charter provided for publishing directions and that notices could be published on our city site. Maybe it does not, as I sure did not find it. I was told that it would save the city lots of $$'s since the newspapers would not have to be used for notices any more. But if the state laws dictates over Charter law(if it's in the Charter) then maybe all notices must be in a newspaper to be considered published. This is all in reference to our new city website. Can it be used by the city government to publish once the site is finished? 
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Guest
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Here is the part you are looking for. You will notice that it references the website as an option for posting - not publishing. Publishing is set by ordinance. To the best of my knowledge council has never approved and ordinance authorizing the website as a publishing vehicle.
ARTICLE XXI. DEFINITIONS
21.26 Posting or posted means posting in at least three (3) conspicuous public locations, one (1) of which may be the City’s website, and at least one (1) of which shall be a location that is open to the public at hours different from the hours during which City Hall is open to the public.
21.27 Publication or publish means publication in a manner set by ordinance for the official publication of City ordinances and announcements.
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Gutless in Edgewater
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So once again the City Council sleeps on an opportunity the Charter Commission granted them and the Mayor continues to gut the whole process.
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it's coming along
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More information has been added to the site. They are definitely working on it and progressing. It will be a boon to our city to have it finished.  Hope it will be much farther along when the search is launched for City Manager so our city has a proper site for the job seekers to preview some of the dynamics of our city.
Thanks Sophisticated Graphics? for getting this project moving at last.
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city postings on site
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using city site for legal posting, publishingSince several had commented on this thread about the new charter allowing for use of the city site (when it is upgraded/complete) to post ordinances, etc., I did bring it up at council last night. One point made--many citizens do not have computers so would not have access, another point-- could be one of three postings places but not used for publishing. Heard, not from council or attorney, that state, not the city, mandates where publishing can be done and that would eliminate the use of the site for publishing ordinances. So if you have opinions, better information and more you can input, please email your council, mayor and speak up and let us know here on the stick what you think. So, in the future, maybe it will be used for one of the city posting places at least??
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Guest
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Legal Notices - PublicationColorado Revised Statutes (CRS) 24-70-101 Definitions:
(1) "Legal Notice" or "advertisement" means any noitce or other written matter required to be published in a newspaper by any law of this state, or by the ordinances of any city or town, or by the order of any court of record of this state
CRS 24-70-102 LEGAL PUBLICATIONS. Every newspaper printed and published daily, or daily except Sundays and legal holidays, or on each of any five days in every week excepting legal holidays and including or excluding Sundays shall be considered and held to be a daily newspaper; every newspaper printed and published at regular intervals three times each week shall be considered and held to be a triweekly newspaper; every newspaper printed and published at regular intervals twice each week shall be considered and held to a semiweekly newspaper; and every newspaper printed and published at regular intervals once each week shall be considered and held to be a weekly newspaper. No publication, no matter how frequently published, shall be considered a legal publication unless it has been admitted to the United States mails with periodicals mailing privileges.
CRS 24-70-103 REQUISITES OF LEGAL NEWSPAPER. (1) Any and every legal notice or advertisement shall be published only in a daily, a triweekly, a semiweekly, or a weekly newspaper of general circulation and printed or published in whole or in part in the county in which such noitce or advertisment is required to be published; except as provided in this section. The newspaper, if published triweekly, semiweekly, or weekly shall have been so published in such county, except as provided in this section, continuously and ininterruptedly during the period of at least fifty-two consecutive weeks next prior to the first issue thereof containing any such notice or advertisement; and the newspaper, if published daily, shall have been so published in such county, uninterruptedly and continuously during the period of at least six months next prior to the first issue thereof containing any such notice or advertisement. In the cas of a municipality having territory in two counties, each of which counties has one or more legal newspapers within the municipality, the publication by such municipality of its legal notice and advertisements in one of such newspapers shall be construed as valid publication under this part 1.
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