My impression of Obama's speech today

Frustrated

I’m trying to listen to these guys but Obama and Biden are both just ranting. Focusing on the past and pointing fingers. Very defensive, confrontational and angry. They can’t even listen to their interviewers without interrupting and dissing the question. They don’t offer viable solutions, they only cast blame. They are dwelling on the past. They are asking us to vote based on the memory of something that has already happened. I see the same around here. An issue comes up and someone says ‘remember what so and so did? Why aren’t you furious? ’. Well yeah I remember, so lets talk about today instead of yesterday. The serenity to accept what can not be changed, and the wisdom to know the difference... Any more the Dems are loosing the wisdom test every time they open their mouth. They are more focused on the campaign than they are the solutions. They don’t have a plan, they just want to win. They talk about creating jobs to build an stronger infrastructure in the same sentence that threaten to increase the taxes of people expected to pay all these new workers. I was hoping to hear candidates identify the issues, layout the options, weigh the options and then choose a solution. The Dems are great at step one. But they just aren’t moving on. I see lots of talk about issues but no viable solutions.

As embarrassing as this is, I’m starting to lean Red. I’m just not ready for the Marxist tone I hear from the Obama camp right now. At least McCain seems to understand that while our current Capitalism model needs a lot work it is worth working on. Can he do it? I don’t know, I always thought the real work was up to Congress and the House. Obama’s got great heart and he talks real good, but I don’t think he has his feet on the ground. Biden is just pissing me off. McCain/Palin??? Well, that’s not a real brilliant idea either. We still a few other options, but it hard to think that voting a third party really does any good.

Thanks for the letting rant - I’m going back to cartoons now. Feel free to rip apart everything is said - I really am trying to listen to all sides.

Loving all the links guys, thanks

Guest · My impression of Obama's speech today

I just returned from the Obama speech in Golden.
I've seen Barack speak four times now. Once at the Tattered Cover when his book The Audacity of Hope came out, once in Aurora, at Investco during the convention and today. Each time I have come away with the same impression. He's genuine. He's intelligent. He has common sense and really wants to stand up for the average working person - and their families. Most of all, he tells the truth.
He doesn't take lobbyist money, he doesn't owe them and he can say what he truly thinks.

A candidate like this comes along once in a lifetime.

Stop listening to the pundits and the TV spin and spend some time on the net listening to Barack. You will come away knowing exactly where he stands.

Unlike McCain who is changing course in mid-stream and now mimicking Obama with slightly tweaked phrases coming straight from the Obama campaign.
McCain is beginning to sound like a parrot, who picks up a few phrases from someone else has no idea what they mean but if it will get him a cracker (the election) he'll repeat them.

A week ago he was saying we needed less government regulation of the capital markets, yesterday the market tanked and today he suddenly wants a commission to "study the problem" and is mimicking Barack's call for transparency and competent regulation of the market to ensure fairness for the average American who invests for things like college tuition or retirement.
McCain needs a commission because he, himself, doesn't have any answers.
Barack came right out and stated what we needed to do.
There is nothing Marxist about an honest, regulated stock market. There is nothing inherently bad about government regulation when that regulation is in place to protect us, average Americans.
But don't take it from me. Listen to Obama. He's the real deal.

Walmart Woman

I have listened to Obama and followed him closely during the past 19 months. Though I am hard put to call him a Marxist, I do not see in him what you see. What he is telling me on the economy quite frankly scares me to death. If he raises taxes on the rich, my Walmart bill goes up. He want's to increase the death tax, I am apposed to paying any death tax. In fact I am against paying tax on anything I have already paid tax including capitol gains.
Having had children who have served in Iraq, his foreign policy does not please me. As far as being a moral model, well lets just say Barack and I walk a different path. I tried to like the guy but as they say, "lets just be friends".

Obama Supporter · Dear Walmart Woman

Dear Walmart Woman,
This is only a guess but if you shop at Walmart and you are concerned about your Walmart bill going up you probably are making less than $250,000. a year. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
However, if you are making less than $250,000. a year Obama will not raise your taxes and I doubt, at your income level, that you would owe inheritance taxes either because that would be incongruent with Obama's protective economic policies toward the middle class. I am not sure what his platform says about inheritance tax and capital gains tax but I can check.
To say that we can't require the rich to pay their share of taxes without having those increases "trickle down" to us via a Walmart receipt is rather like admitting we are being victimized by the rich. Well, we are being victimized by the rich now. We are paying their taxes while they ship our jobs overseas.
Our 401K's are disappearing due to an unregulated, opaque capital market and our economy is being drained and devastated by the war in Iraq.
I honor the service of your sons or daughters. They did what they were asked to do by their country. However, it also takes courage for us to admit, as a country, that Iraq is a war we cannot sustain without deeply damaging, for many years to come, our own security and financial well being. Recognising this reality and changing course doesn't reflect negatively on the service of your children nor does it negate what they have done. We can't responsibly drive into the ground the country they fought for, can we? My concern is how are we going to care for the injured soldiers and their families if our economy is so weak we can't provide for them? How are we going to provide for our own defense, should the need arise, with a depleted and exhausted military? How much do we owe Iraq, at the price of our own safety?

I said I found Barack Obama to be honest and forthright. I am glad I live in a country where our individual moral values are protected, as just that, individual. I do however share his belief in a strong work ethic and I believe him capable of inspiring young people to set and achieve high standards and to bring back our sense of shared destiny and greatness as a nation, at home and in the eyes of the world. We need a leader who can inspire us to work together again. I think, if we give him a chance, he can and very much wants to do that.

jeff

I always hear this from the left, "The rich are getting over on the rest of us."

If you check the stats on who pays income taxes you would find that the top 10 percent of income earners pay almost 60 percent of the tax burden. Who's getting over on whom?

ouch

actually the top 10% pay 68% of the tax burden. What will really shock you is that the top 50% of income earners pay about 97% of the nation's tax bill. These numbers are based on 2006 figures I don't know if they have changed much.

Guest · 60% of what?

ouch

That is so much populist hokum. Why can't the people who wallow in the politics of envy just admit the truth. They want to seize by force the assets of successful people and then give it away to another group that they feel is "more deserving". You must have some set of balls to try and justifiy your actions by saying those rich people didn't "earn" their money. But hey whatever helps you sleep at night.

The Harlander · Waiting to be Proud

Penalizing success, whether it be by hard labor or wise investment, leads to absolute failure. We need incentives for keeping jobs in country and protecting those jobs from foreign invaders. We need tarrifs on imported goods especialy from those countries that close their doors to our exports. We need energy independence while we develope and build a new energy infrastructure (hydrogen, solar etc.). We need to revamp health care by offering government incentives to those in the medical proffession. And most of all we need to win this illgotten war and keep our military standing in the world.
We need to be able to stand side by side and each and everyone of us be proud that we are American inclusive of our differences and not in spite of them. We need to be more courteous to each other and a little less self interested. I do not see either candidate as a uniter and that is an ongoing shame.

ouch

Harlander, you had me right up to the illgotten war part.

The Harlander

No ones perfect. Sorry.

ouch

Keep at it. I'm sure it will happen one day.

Guest · ouch

The "politics of envy" is just another political catch phrase designed to try to keep the working class in their subservient place. I don't envy the rich but neither do I exempt them from paying their fair share.
Some of them work for their money, some of them are just lucky and were born into wealth and influence but the value of the work they do is highly over estimated. When CEO's make exponentially more than the workers who actually produce the goods and services that make money for the company and the company profits are retained at the top and not distributed to the common stockholders (and there have been many examples of that lately) that isn't equitable either.
So sorry for flying in the face of the snow job the rich have been trying to define as normal these past 15 years or so but I do disagree and it doesn't take any balls at all. I find it remarkably easy, in fact.
Really? Return the topic to that piece of fluff Palin? OK, I'll find another thread, I can't take her seriously enough to be upset about her.

donk

What would qualify as the rich paying thier fair share? The top 10% paying 100% of the taxes? Or maybe we should take a pound of flesh out of those evil rich people next year. Or better yet let's take all their assets and divide them up equally. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. That seems like a good plan for the continued growth of this country.

Guest

Obama Supporter - I have not read such an insightful piece on any of the candidates as yours. The Republicans can trash that piece all they want - because that's what they do, and we do live in Democratic society - but I was truly inspired and thoroughly enjoyed reading your post.
Thank you.

Intervention

Democratic group hug time. There now don't we all feel better. It's not our fault, it's that mean old Sarah.

jake

how can that post be so great and insightful when the main point of the rich screwing us all was decimated by the next poster. Folks need to stop looking through their personal filters.

Filters

Yeah, looking through the collective filter is so much more gratifying than looking through the personal filter. Isn't letting some slimeball mortgage company talk you into a mortgage even they know you can't afford so much easier? How about all those great credit card offers? Man I'm loving this collective. I can afford a BMW 750Li with nothing down? Wow! Thinking for myself is way over rated.

Guest

who you going to pick?

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/s...49-55A1F0BEB981%7D&dist=msr_1

Jake

Typical, it's always someone else's fault for our screwups. Unless that rotten SOB loan person had a gun to your head you have no one to blame but yourself. Don't even get me started on the credit card deal; you don't have to be a math major to know that %22 intrest rates are going to bury if your not cautious. But you are right about one thing the collective filter is just as bad. I takes alot of work to see things for how they really are. Aw what the hell let's just blame whoever is convenient so we never have to take personal responsibility.

whatever

It's guys like Jake that allow the corpratism the pervades this country. No matter what sort of crap happens the big business intrests are always above scrutiny. When Obama wins in November (and he will) he is going to take a flamethrower to Wall Street and the average Joe is finally going to get the Corporate boot off his neck.

Roger an Elephant

Lets face it folks, Bush and the Democratic Congress let us down. Just like illegal immigration, the economic regulators didn't do their jobs. If Bush didn't do his job jumping on that it was up to Congress to do it for him and visa versa. So who are you going to trust? A guy who has spent more time running for President than he actually spent taking action or the guy that scared the President. Who's the real reformer? An Alaskan Governor that took on big oil and returned those funds directly back to her constituents or an "angry" Joe Biden?
Last night, who was in Hollywood schmoozing the big bucks at a $25,000 a plate extravaganza and who was at a town hall meeting fielding questions from the common man and woman? Who is charging $15 per yard sign and who is giving their yard signs away because they believe in their cause?
Who is trying to find the answer to our economic crises and is willing to review their thinking and who is making grandiose speeches and promises?
The question is not, "What is the Bush Doctrine?". The question is "What is the Obama Doctrine?", "What is the McCain Doctrine?". Those are the questions that need to be asked and straightforwardly answered.
We have all seen the excesses of the Obama Campaign, Roman Columns and big Hollywood bashes. Reporters being put in choke holds on Denver Streets and the press confined to a cage in Pueblo. We have also seen McCains VP choice challenge her boss on ANWR and his open honest response of consideration. The Republican ticket is a dynamic duo of Mavericks and they are going to shake down Washington and give fair notice to Wall Street. This is not your Fathers Republican Party. And they will hold you accountable as well. If you make bad choices, if you take out loans you can't afford then you will have to pay the consequences. These are dire times that require strong leadership, not more flowery rhetoric.

Guest · Many words, little content

I'm becoming weary reading the bogus accusations about a Democratic Congress not doing anything. I would delve into the congressional record and pull out the proof but I'm not convinced you guys could hear it if the proof "hit you in the head", as my mother would have said.
When the Senate has a majority of one that isn't enough of a majority to consistantly enact legislation. When you need a 2/3 majority to override a presidential veto it's really quite impossible to get much done. Wait until January and watch what a real Democratic majority in Congress can do.
Alaskan citizens have been getting checks for oil for decades. Sara Palin isn't responsible for that. John McCain has had his own pricey Hollywood fund raisers.
This is too much work. I wish I could send your post to "factcheck.com" or something I can't spend all my time helping you correct your information.
I think I'll go to the Obama site and just buy a yard sign. Might I suggest all you Obama supporters do the same thing? Anyone who has ever run for office knows how pricey those yard signs are. Let's show our candidate we support him by throwing down a little green. It's a better use of time and energy than this.
Oh, BTW those Roman columns? That was a STAGE SET, it's amazing what those theater types can make out of cardboard and duct tape.

Gardener · Flowery speeches? I wish I could grow this is my garden!

http://www.barackobama.com/tv/speeches.php

Gardener · Current speeches re: the economic crisis

http://www.youtube.com/user/BarackObamadotcom

Let's harvest some common sense for a change!

Guest · Obama's speech in Golden, Colorado Sept. 16th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZt5iN96iM

Dumb Voter

Guest of September 18 6:50 pm

I have nothing better to do until election day. Please bring us the Congressional record and more specifically any legislation that Obama supported that would have headed off the finacial melt down that has occurred over the past few days. Show me the vetos that Bush imposed preventing said legislation.
I am anxiously awaiting your research and thank you for offering this service to the unenlightened such as myself.

Guest · sorry...

Guest · Barack Obama's speech in Golden, Co Sept. 16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZt5iN96iM

Dumb Voter

Neither am I. I also do my research. I have just come to a different conclusion than you. That's all I'm saying.

McCain's Hot Air

John McCain's hot air
He may claim to be green, but McCain's environmental record is every bit as dirty as that of Sen. James "global warming is a hoax"

http://www.salon.com/env/feature/...in_environment/?source=newsletter

Obama/Biden plan

The Obama-Biden comprehensive New Energy for America plan:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy

uh oh

Check out who's on McCain's team. What is he doing?? Standing up against the good old boys? Not exactly.

http://news.aol.com/political-mac.../09/23/mccains-team-of-lobbyists/

My vote goes to Obama. He has the strength to stand up for all of us, the intelligence to guide us back into prosperity and the ability to lead us back to our position as a world leader where we belong.

Guest

Article "I ghost-wrote letters to the editor for the McCain campaign"

This McCain/Palin campaign is insane. How many letters to the editors are done this way?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature...mccain_letters/?source=newsletter

My impression of Obama's speech today

Dear Walmart Woman

60% of what?

Waiting to be Proud

ouch

Many words, little content

Flowery speeches? I wish I could grow this is my garden!

Current speeches re: the economic crisis

Obama's speech in Golden, Colorado Sept. 16th.

sorry...

Barack Obama's speech in Golden, Co Sept. 16