July 04 Fireworks

Quincy · July 04 Fireworks

IF I MAY BORROW FROM THE LATE MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. "I HAVE A DREAM". I DREAM OF LIVING IN A PATRIOTIC CITY THAT LOVES IT'S FIREWORKS AND THE CELEBRATION OF LIBERTY. WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO SHOW UP AT COUNCIL AND DEMAND TO BE HEARD. THE GREAT JOHN ADAMS SAID " IT SHOULD BE SOLEMMIZED WITH POMP AND PARADE, WITH SHOWS, GAMES, SPORTS, GUNS, BELLS, BONFIRES, AND ILLUMINATIONS FROM ONE END OF THIS CONTINENT TO THE OTHER, FROM THIS TIME FOREVER MORE.

VOICE YOUR OPINION BECAUSE TO BE SILENT IS AN INJUSTICE TO THE MASSES.

Guest

Who doesn't like fireworks, but get a grip on reality.
Where is the money coming from? If councilman Gardner can pull a rabbit out of his hat, more power to him. Until then, don't act like the city leaders are unpatriotic or trying to ruin the traditions in Edgewater. Which would you rather have? Police and fire services, water and trash services, or should we displace some of those for the fireworks?
I challenge anyone to look at the budget and find the money for fireworks - or a police station for that matter.

Guest · a thought on Patriotism

Patriotism. I think it is a lot more than fire flashing for second in the air, a lot more. Many communities have replaced it with picnics and music because it is a fire hazard, it pollutes the air and there are many ways to celebrate our country's birthday. Let's have a parade. Let's have three legged races (I challenge you, Harlander!) At sunset we can sing America The Beautiful all together down at the Park and everyone can come home with a little more joy in their hearts. We can still have our celebration. We don't need the fireworks.

Guest

Let's have an apple bobbing contest and leave the apple in the mouth to stifle the voice of the people.

The Harlander

I don't do three leg races, not at my age. We should also sing the National Anthem and God Bless America. I like fireworks but if the money ain't there, it ain't there. End of story. As far a saftey concerns well, that's just plain poor planning on the part of the P&R Director and I know about that first hand.
But we digress, this thread is about Laura. Unless a bunch of us are politikin her already and we are.
I believe oil is the essence of any nut and I found this on the exotic Macadamia nut:

Guest

10-4! Too many peanuts spoil the mix.

lk

and sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes.............

I feel a bit nutty right about now. Maybe next week I'll feel a bit more big Macian.

What a fun city to live in. Where else can you read and post about such a diversity of nuts. maybe we should rename Edgewater to Nutville. We could hold an annual Squirrel Festival. Have a nut roast and and crown a King and Queen of Nutville.
We could bob for acorns.

Guest

do the nuts we roast have to grow on trees?

roasted and toasted

absolutely not, root nuts are mighty fine

The Harlander · Fruit Cake

Now your talking peanuts, which are not nuts at all, they are legumes. Legumes are a dried fruit. Following that strain of thought, the only nuts at City Hall on Thursday night is the Council and Mayor. Everybody else is a fruit.
So there you have it lk, you went from being kind of fruity to being a total nut. Edgewater biology, you gotta love it.

lk · nuts and legumes

Thank you, Harlander for your expert clarification. That is what we need here. Participation and research on all levels-- from the ground up.

From the fruits of the earth to the nuts of the heavens. Geez, I'm getting a bit poetic here.

Oh bother..

So you’re telling me that a peanut is not a nut?

Must have been a vote of council that named that little fruit. Maybe they should’ve postponed the vote until better research could have been brought forward. Great example of not rushing things.

Let me think. Pea-nut? A pea is a vegetable and the little goober is actually a fruit. I give up! Harlander, just how did it get it’s name?

The Harlander · More fruit cake

Which name? Ground nut, arachides, goobers, mani or pinders. Actually many food items we call nuts are not nuts, for example almonds and Brazilian nuts are not technically nuts but City Council people are always nuts, according to some experts.
OK everyone, wave your sparklers and sing along:
Found a peanut
Found a peanut
Found a peanut just now
Just now I found a peanut
Found a peanut just now

Guest

Please chief dan and firechief lafarge. My little boys love the fireworks
Show. How do I tell them or anyone that the city has a new target and
New. Businesses at 20th and sheridan that we never used to have
But all of a sudden can't afford fireworks. Please do the show! It's a
Showcase of what edgewater is about which is success not failure

No Bang for the Buck

Guest

Edgewater Days-not successful enough. 3rd of July-to successful. Guess our PR director needs more time at home with her Blackberry. Lets all meet at the park at 3 in the afternon on July 1st and make construction paper flags, that's an event she might be able to handle. Don't forget to bring your dollar.

Now that you mention it

Everything P&R has been going down hill since our current director came on board. The fireworks are just the latest victim. I hear she isn't getting along with the P&R Board either.

cinemaphile · Thursday night at the movies

While "The Peanut Gallery" seems to have been adopted lately to describe the intrepid residents who always show up on Thursday nights to observe Council, and while some certainly embrace their "peanut-hood" I have begun to view these perennial and timeless participates more along the lines of that most insightful Greek chorus line in Woody Allen's "Mighty Aphrodite", a roaming Greek chorus astutely commenting upon Council's fate. When I go to Council, which is rarely, I more often go to listen to the wise, bemused, tongue-in-cheek narrative of the Greek chorus line and learn from their review of the movie! So, you can minimize your nuts and mix your metaphors, I think the most literary part of the production is in the back of the house.

Guest

Dear guest of 12:34 - The new businesses in town have nothing to do with why we don't have fireworks this year. They may, in fact, be the reason we may have them in the future as they bring in tax revenue. Please tell your 'little boys' that life is not always like a box of chocolates. Sometimes the nutty chocolates get eaten up and all that is left is the caramels and the fondants. Until you have enough money to buy another box, imbibing in the nutty chocolates will have to wait.
As to our P&R director, while I do agree that she is not very good at her job, you really can't hold the lack of fireworks against her. Much of the fireworks funding comes from general funds, and in case you haven't been paying attention, the well is dry.

N

I don't think we need to poke fun at a poster because of thier grammer skills. I think this is a serious topic for our town and I will be at council to discuss it. An earlier post said "we should celebrate or success and not our failures". I could not agree more with that quote. I have spoken to two council persons so far who think we should have the Fireworks display. Council works for the citizens and I have not spoken to a single citizen who want's the show disposed of. How is our police force going to control the thousands of angry spectators who show up as usual for the display that does not take place. ? Are we going to pay for ad's on radio or print to warn people of the cancellation? I hate to say it but if the show does not go on, Edgewater will have a black eye because of it and may lose it's appeal to many faithful taxpayers including me.

O

Guest · wrong day

I am looking forward to celebrating the 4th of July on the 4th of July this year. EW's little party really steals the fire from the real holiday, if you will forgive the pun.
N, I doubt you will have a riot. A few public service announcements ought to do the trick.

Guest

We're not the only city who has had to cancel fireworks. The economy has devastated our economy. There aint no money, folks. The city just does not have it. Nor can the police department and the fire department control the crowds. Both chiefs have spoken to council and feel they can't protect the city without even more money and more man power. If you think the possible delay to one home of a heart attack victim or a house fire is a fair trade off, well I don't. If my husband or wife or child or mom or dad or sister or brother or neighbor needed emergency help and the police and fire equipment could not get to the scene or out of the city to take a victim to the hospital, that is not a fair trade off. We'll need even more money than in the past years for extra services if and when they hold the fireworks. The whole affair has gotten too large and uncontrollable. It needs to be put aside until we have extra money and can plan for a way to have it on a smaller scale, for our community. Sad but true. Facts are facts. How can anyone justify fireworks when we have had to drastically reduce other more needly programs and budget items. Times are tough. This too shall pass. Patience please.

Patriot · The solution

I have a solution that should satisfy everyone. On July 3rd we post volunteer guards at the entrances to the city. Only legal residents allowed in. We all gather at Citizens Park at 9:35 PM with cell phones in hand . At exactly 9:40 PM we all light up our cell phone screens and wave them while we sing a chorus of Kum by ya. When the singing is done someone will throw their cellphone up in the air to indicate the event is over. You are not allowed to drive to this event for several reasons:
A. We do not want to hinder emergency vehicle traffic.
B. We want to have a Green Event and reduce our carbon footprint.
C. Walking is patriotic and healthy.
D. People will have to engage in conversation as they walk, strengthening the community bond.
We the People can do this all on our own and the P&R Director can stay home with her Blackberry. It's a win, win for everybody.

Guest

Why not have a city wide picnic on the 4th. We all meet in the park, play games, eat, play games, eat, make some music on our own, have people in the community bring musical instruments even, keep it very casual, no officials involved just a community having community fun. Play the Star Spangled Banner and hoot and holler at sundown, praise our country with our laughter and community spirit. We don't have to have the fireworks to be patriotic. Fried chicken and potato salad in the park, cherry pie and families--- that'd set a new standard here.

Musical consultant · Official Patriotic Songs

Patriot, Kum by ya, is a campfire song not an official national song. We need to keep campfire and state separate.
I think America the Beautiful because that is the only song where I can hit the notes, sort of. I like the cell phone idea, very green, very green...or how about a solar powered light show?

Ooooooo...

Patriot · No, No, No.......

NO, NO FOOD. Next thing you know somebody will bring beer, then whiskey and rum. Then somebody will light up a cigarette then the sparklers begin followed by a roman candle, some black cats and a cherry bomb or M-80 and the bottle rockets will begin to fly. Next thing you know the people over in Denver and Lakewood will think we are trying to pull a fast one and they will all begin showing up and the hamburger joints and Edgewater Inn will get flooded with foreigners spending money and some drunk guy from Wheat Ridge will take a leak in Targets parking lot. Next thing you know someone will cut off a finger and people will begin having heart attacks, half the houses in Edgewater will burst into flames and we will be back where we started. Broke and having fun.
NO FOOD, NO GAMES. Just waving cell phones and pleasant soft voices singing Woody Guthries "This land is your land, this land is my land............." in a ccapella. NO MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS, that just invites wierdos to a solemn patriotic happening.

Reality check · Come up with a solution

All very funny. Edgewater should open a comedy club for the locals to do their thing.

I listen to people on this forum and to a few at council who say they want the fireworks display, but I have yet to hear anyone say how they expect them to paid for, how they expect to pay for extra police patrol, and how they plan to protect the residents and businesses from the same vandalism that they experienced last year.

As much as people want our celebrations to go on, there has to be some reality injected into the situation. Please stop inciting bad feelings in the city and if you really do care, then come up with a solution, not useless complaints.

Guest · Who's complaining?

I think what I am hearing is people coming to grips with the sad but true reality that we can not have our traditional fireworks and trying to brainstorm other ways to celebrate anyway.
The fireworks should be a dead issue by now. If there are hold outs on Council they need to be reasoned with but here I think you have people making lemonade from lemons and maybe cheering each other up at the sad demise of a beloved tradition that has met it's end. One of the ways to do that is to be a little silly.
Picnics, solar lights, singing, music are all valid ideas, don't you think?

Get Real

What you are hearing is people coming to grips with how inept our elected officials have been at handling our tax dollars over the past decade and a half. 20th & Depew, the Orum House, the Heritage Center and the sale of the Police Building. We continue to employe an unqualified PR director to the tune of $40,000 a year thereby squandering our Open Space fund. Schools that many residents refuse to send there children to. That's what you are hearing. You are hearing real fireworks.

gingerellie · fireworks and E. Days/music

If you want music at a community planned celebration I'm sure the Mile High Commuity Band would love to be involved, if they are not already committed elsewhere. They practice at Jefferson High on Thursday nights. If anyone is interested in checking them out or learning to play feel free to post on here and I will get a phone# for you. It is also available to go over to Jefferson High on Thursday nights.

3rd of July Fan · Thank you

Thank you, Gingerellie for the positive idea. I'm not someone who would know who to talk to but call or e-mail someone on Council or in the Rec. Dept. It sounds good to me!

Guest

Citys have fireworks so firefighters don't get killed fighting a fire started by a homegrown display.

Guest · yeah right

tell that to the kids who scare the heck out of me every year with bottle rockets in my alley!!!!!!!!!!

Guest

The fireworks have never stopped people from shooting off their own. I have had bottle rockets land amongst my guests in my yard as we were watching the EW fireworks display.

Guest

Expect more bottle rockets this year. Keep the garden hose handy.

Ed G Waters

Bout time they handed the fireworks display back to the people. Hell yes! Going to have to get my Colt45 in the quart bottles cause I like them Texas sized bottle rockets. Now where did I put my Wyoming drivers license.
I'm not being to damn light hearted, am I? I wouldn't want to be called a frevolass type person, hell no. Sides they ain't nothin like blowing up a tin can with a Cherry Bomb. Much better than them damn girlie fireworks the firemen use.

VULCAN

Fireworks in Edgewater on the 3rd are a long standing tradition. I think we may need more police to control the crowds who come- out of a tradition of doing so- from many neighboring communities- for the display put on by this little

y town that draws thousands of people ---who i guess now will be ready to riot because there's nothin better to do than sit in the park and drink beer (which is legal as long as it is in a can!) and then really revolt because there is no focus and no event!

How many traditions can we scrap before we have NO history or Heritage???

A solution, someone said- get the businesses in the city to donate for the price of an advertisement! It is NOT rocket science people. The P&R director is blatenly ignorant of our traditions, but to her defense she is fresh out of college with absolutely zero supervision or guidence! Imagine yourself in that position???? Yet every esteemed tradition we have had is now GONE.

If we don't have our traditional fireworks, I'm wiling to bet we'll have a whole new bad breed of "fireworks" for the cops to deal with. We're not talking about tens of thousands of dollars- the kind we keep spending on senseless "studies" for things that never happen.

Fireworks happen here. This happens. THIS HAPPENS People! If it doesn't, well something else is bound to, and my bet is it won't be pretty.

Guest

WELL SAID VULCAN!!!!!!!!!!!! IT HAS ALL THE MAKINGS FOR A DISASTER. I BET IF YOU ASK THE POLICE CHIEF HE WILL HAVE A FULL CREW ON JUST LIKE THE EVENT WAS TAKING PLACE SO WHY IS IT BEING CANCELLED?????????????????? I KNOW I'M GOING TO WYOMING AND STOCK UP ON ROMAN CANDLES. MY KIDS ARE GOING TO SEE A SHOW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND IF THE CITY WE LIVE IN CAN'T HANDLE IT, I'LL DO IT MYSELF.

Sethlans

YOU WILL PROBABLY ARRESTED ALONG WITH HALF THE RESIDENTS OF EDGEWATER. IT WILL BE A GREAT REVENUE GENERATOR.

ANYONE UP FOR A GROUP TRIP TO LARAMIE?

Hephaestus

The Gods of fire have arrived! Forget July 3rd, we will settle for nothing less than giant bonfires on August 23rd, with the appropriate Volcanalia sacrifices of fish and small animals. Make it so, lest Vulcan sets your fields and home aflame then buries you under a mountain of volcanic ash and pyroplastic hell!

Patriot

No matter about that Christian Bible on the City Seal, we still have seperation of religion and state here in Edgewater. Don't be bringing your hellfire and brimestone threats to our town. We do things on July 3rd, buster. It's the American way. Bonfires indeed, it's plain Un-American. Liberal egg sucking dog pagans.

H.W.

Hell yes! The winds of war are upon us. We elected this council and we can damn sure unelect them next voting cycle. I call upon all tax payers who want to join the revolt this July 3rd. I will buy the fireworks and will be ready at Citizens Park at 9 pm. Hell I will even set aside a little extra for bond.

Are you serious enough? · To make it happen?

Vulcan did have a good thought
(FINALLY, SOMEONE REALIZES THIS IS NOT ABOUT A DEFIANT, SOUL-SUCKING CITY COUNCIL WHO WANTS TO RUIN THE CITIES TRADITIONS!)
Maybe the police chief can get some co-operation from WheatRidge and Lakewood. And maybe those who are really serious about the event happening can solicit funds from businesses.
Of course, if you aren't serious enough about the 'tradition' ....

dejimbe · Fire Drum Circle

If we may have a bonfire at the park, we can blog and advertise a "Fire Drum Circle"...these people are spiritual and peace loving...usually belly dancers, fire dancers and light dancers show up in great costumes as well...very cool. People dance and kids dance and love it as well.

They usually start before dusk and end at midnight...if you don't know what this is, google "drum circles" and check it out...really. You hear the tribal beats from there and afar...really something. We are in our 50's with careers and we have open minds...and we experienced these...in these hard times it is better to be open and optimistic than before, and this is great community for us...they are REALLY cool events that are fun, safe and FREE!

I hope there are'nt too many negative people with negative replies...to an idea that may work!

Ain't going to happen

Five will get you ten that we will not have a fireworks show no matter how much funding from the private sector is found. Anything that would require the P&R Director to get off her butt and do something simply isn't going to happen and with the Mayors blessing. By all appearances Cooke and McNulty are mortal enemies but the truth is they are two peas in a pod and we the citizens are paying for their childish behavior. There is no solution to any of the problems facing this City as long as those two are in office.

Guest · Please.

Please, enough of the personal attacks. We are neighbors, we need to live together and this stuff doesn't do anything but create resentment and distrust.
You are free to write what you want but sometimes, if that's how you feel, it is better to keep it on the inside.
If you want to debate an issue or even some official's position on an issue, fine, but the personal attacks only hurts the TalkingStick.

ps I think a drum circle would be a beautiful idea! Good thinking!

Guest

sometimes it is the person and not the position. sometimes it is the person that needs to step up.

Hephaestus

It ain't over till the Fat Lady sings. We obviously have $30,000.00 in Open Space funds available for a fireworks show including the fireworks. Councils big concern is public saftey, as it should be, and they require a public saftey plan from the Police and Fire Chief. The initial response from the Fire Chief and Poice Chief is that with that kind of funding it is doable but time is tight. I would recommend that an officer from the Police or Fire Department be put in charge of the park lights switch after the event, it seems to be to big a task for the P&R Director.
In all fairness to the P&R Director she did go to Jeffco last year to see if Open Space could be used and got the immpression they could not. Councilman Gardner went to Jeffco a got a far different answer. Makes me wonder if the P&R Director asked the right questions the first time out but, who am I to ask? Shes the pro, the same one that forgot to turn on the lights last year and didn't even bother to show up at the switchbox for a full ten minutes after the show was over. Even then she didn't have the keys to open the switchbox. The trash crew was already at work before the lights came on. Yeah, we need a saftey plan.

Sethlans

The Fire Gods are pleased that you are considering a meager fireworks display in our honor. Though I would have much preferred the Drum Circle with a large bonfire into which flames an appropriate sacrifice of live puppies and kittens could have been made. Do not placate us for as surely as the citizens of Pompeii were buried beneath the ashes of Mount Vesuvius so is, what you call, Yellowstone to the citizens of Edgewater.

Planto is sic.

supporter

maybe i posted on the wrong link...these two seem to be overlapping, so sorry for being repetitious.

lets not dismiss that 2 of the current firefighters were present at that meeting and stood up to speak in favor of the fireworks show, along wiht many other community members. I believe they understand the elements of risk and safety better than most of us lay people. If the current chiefs cannot showcase a satisfactory safety plan i personally think this speaks to their level of competence. It should have been in place already for many years. It should be availbale currently!
.....maybe the new ingredient involves directing the PR director to do her job in a timely manner, and get the lights up immediately afterward.

Guest

Will you please give it up on the lights. Geesh! Talk about beating a dead horse!
The chiefs have already told us what they need. The problem has been affording it.

I want my lights

No! We should not give up on the lights, it was a major safety concern and safety had never been brought up in the prior 29 years. If we are to look at the overall safety of the event then, the competence of those in charge of the event comes into question. The only one that has shown a lack of competencey is the P&R Director and not only at the July 3rd event. I'm tired of her getting a free skate every time she messes up and yes the last Edgewater Days was headed up by her and it was poorly planned and a total failure. We have virtualy no youth programs under her stewardship. Have you seen the Memorial Park gazebo or the South side of City Hall? Not to mention that ridiculous permanent fence in Citizens Park. Even the softball payers hate it and her answer to them...."get used to it". The other night at Council under Council Comments she stands up and yells at the top of her lungs "Bossert!" and then lights into Councilman Bossert. If I had done that the Police Chief would have escorted me out of the building.
So no, I'm not going to forget the lights, they only serve as an example of a long list of serious concerns the Mayor should be addressing.

Guest

Wasn't it the Light Box Lady that told us that we couldn't use Jeffco funds for the Fireworks in the first place? How many screw ups does it take before the Mayor calls her on the carpet? I don't dare screw up on my job or my a** is gone.

Geez! · Complaints in the toilet

Geez! Mea Culpa! Beat the bitch. Burn her at the stake. Lynch her. Tar and feather her.

OK. This is how I see it. I see a lot of complaining on the Stick. Don't get me wrong. These forums are great. They allow people to air out their grievances, bitch and moan, and then, eventually, come to terms with whatever it is they are bitching about.
But what is all the complaining doing if all it ends up being is complaining? If you really think this director is such an incompetent and beligerant little snipe, then do what it takes to get her replaced. A few complianing citizens are not going to make it happen. Get organized, get mad, and get thee to whatever form of city government it takes to make your complaints known. But be prepared to do it right. And make sure that there are enough people behind you that really give a shit. Otherwise, you end up being just a bunch of complainers. Get a petition going for starters.
But do something!

Guest · Careful My Darlings

You have just been invited to do someone else's bidding. Someone perhaps more powerful than you who would prefer you do the work and take the blow back.
It isn't your job to supervise the Parks and Recreation Director but it is your job to express your needs to someone who can help you. Soon you will have a City Manager with whom you can properly address any dissatisfaction you may have and expect positive change. It won't be long now. My advice? Keep your powder dry.
Petitions are completely irrelevant to the process. They can be set aside with abandon.
Of course, you don't have to take my word for it. If you feel so compelled, go ahead circulate a petition and see what happens. All of life's a stage...

Cerberus · The pyroclastic flow of Edgewater Emotion

Yes, Heph, it's pyroclastic, not pyroplastic. Those of us who have lived through geological eruptions rather than mere Edgewater Eruptions keep track of these things.

All you Upset Traddies (traditionalists) should get a grasp on the central issue here - safety, Safety, SAFETY! It's fine for a couple of "current fire fighters" to come out in favor of fireworks. We're ALL in favor of fireworks! The issue is the influx of pachucos and gang bangers who threaten to turn OUR FIREWORKS into Altamont East. When the Target parking lot is turned into a Twilight Zone where our police don't dare to go for fear of being overwhelmed, it's time to think objectively and rationally about what is going on at our Traditional 3rd July extravaganza.
if you want to keep your tradition, consider asking Council for not only the cost of fireworks, but also for the cost of hiring Wheat Ridge, Lakewood or Mountain View police to augment our overburdened officers for this event.
Last year one person was stabbed, right? This year the pachucos would be better prepared to "handle" each other's gangs. So what's next? When the streets of Edgewater that were never designed for these crowds are choked with both vehicles and pedestrians, how will our officers get to the center of the gang fights with enough manpower to make a difference? If we're going to be overwhelmed with 10,000 outsiders, not all of whom are here for the pyrotechnics, how do we expect our police and fire departments to cope with the fallout of our tradition?
While the P&R director has demonstrated ample incompetence in many areas, it is not at all reasonable to blame her for last year's fiasco. Times are hard for everyone, and that makes free events like our fireworks more attractive for more people. A big, free event drew a hugh crown last year, and will draw more people this year if it is held, because more people lack money to do anything that isn't FREE. And, like it or not, a number of the people who have no money are the people who are - from most people's point of view - dangerous. Last year there were probably guns as well as knives - but only a knife was used. This year, who knows? The rowdies found out last year that Edgewater could not stop them from closing Target and King Soopers for their tailgate party. This year, the word will be out to all their friends - Edgewater is helpless against us, come one, come all, to the free-for-all.
If you want to continue fireworks on the 3rd, but you don't want to pay neighboring departments for reinforcements, ask Council if you can bring your friends and personal fireworks to Citizen's Park on the 3rd. Ask if they can have a couple of fire fighters and police to make sure things stay safe. Invite all your friends - heck, ALL EDGEWATER! to the event and keep the smaller fireworks closer to the ground. Combine it with a bonfire/ drum circle and get it back to what is was in the days when our country was founded - citizens celebrating, together, the birth of liberty in our nation. We have become a town in a nation that is lazy - morally, spiritually, physically and intellectually. As my Drill Instructor used to say - get off your dead ass and on your dying feet, you've got a job to do! Talk to your neighbors, get together with your neighbors, and plan to make Citizen's Park, on the 3rd of July, a park full of citizens. Citizens of Edgewater, Citizens of Colorado, Citizens of the United States of America. It doesn't take $30,000 and /OR a P&R director - to do that. IT TAKES YOU, ME, US to make the U.S. So, every one of you, off your dead asses and on your dying feet. Your town needs you, your state needs you and your country needs you to be aware, committed and involved. Save the City's money for more important things than fireworks when you can BE the fireworks - if you will only choose to DO IT.

Farmer Scott · Leadership???

The Mayor hasn't fired her yet and why should it look likely, she will. We have an ellection come November. That, is when it all takes place. We are getting a City mananger before then. I have always said I have faith in this Council to make a reasonable choice. Crapping on the Mayor is one thing. Crapping on the pr is quite another. The way I see it, she tries to manage which end of the paper bag is open. There is a profound reason Council has asked for the professional advise from the FD and the PD.
Here is my question: NOW; fireworks can be paid from open space. So, what does this mean.....just how many survey's have we missed out on for the direction of funds?

The Farmer

Guest

The Police and Fire Chiefs will come up with a reasonable safety plan and the show will be held. I personally think it's good to do it right and make it safer.

Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: Careful My Darlings

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Hephaestus

Cerberus
I know you are a heady sort of fellow but, is it wise to correct a God in front of the mortals? Perhaphs you should put your heads together and Styx to guarding Hades. I stand corrected but, I am not pleased by it.

Guest

Yeah Cerberus uses a lot of words but he sure knows what he is talking about.

Atheist

Gods! They are as bad as politicians.

Guest

STREET GANGS? We as community are to somehow hunker in fear of these punks? Our Police Department is helpless and does not have the assistance of the Metro Area Gang Force? We are no better than Juarez, Mexico?
If that is the case, then even a drum circle, concert or movies in the park are not safe. Keep your children at home because even gang banger children probably attend the Easter Egg Hunt. Be afraid, be very afraid. When you shop in Edgewater keep your head lowered and look no one in the face, your life may depend upon this submissive position. Keep your hands in you pockets any errant positioning of your hands can be taken as a gang sign and you may be gunned down. Do not wear bright colors, wear muted shades of gray, you do not want to be mistaken for a gangster.
Be afraid my fellow Edgewaterite, be very afraid. Know that you live in the barrio and learn to accept your fate. Do what you can to protect yourself, you do not want to meet your end upon the cold steel of a Latin Kings blade.
Or just maybe, somebody has been watching way to much History Channel.

Q&A

Street gangs? No. Mob rule during an event attended by 10,000? Maybe. Fear? No. Risky? Yes. Better safe than sorry? Apparently not.

Oh Yeah!

PHUNKshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhfht.........................................BOOM! Cracle, crackle, crackle.
"Oh! Ahhhhhhhhh! Ohhhhhhhhhhh."

Guest · History, as teacher

OK, maybe it was your grandmother who cut the power to the parking lot lights so they could see the fireworks better. Maybe it was Aunt Sadie who was bar-be-que-ing in the parking lot and caused the managers of Target to feel unsafe enough to close the store early. But someone did and those someones will be back in force. They may or may not have been gangs but they sure exhibited a gang mentality.
So, go ahead, stay in your denial, your fun at any cost, right?

Thanks a lot.
Me? I'll be listening to the plan the Police Chief and the Fire Chief propose very carefully.
What happens if someone in the parking lot needs first aid? You can't get an ambulance in there. You couldn't even get a little red wagon in there!
If paying overtime to who knows how many extra police and fire personnel is what it takes to try to make this safe what is the real price?
They can probably make it more or less "safe" but that doesn't mean it makes sense.
It might be nice and bucolic up where you live but I live pretty close to the action and if anything goes seriously wrong down here we are in real trouble.
In fact, I'm thinking of pulling a block party permit so I can block off my street, just in case someone needs an ambulance, they will be able to get in!
It is unfortunate the event has become so big. I have always enjoyed it but from my point of view the Chief isn't kidding when he says it has become an accident waiting to happen. He sees the writing on the wall. From down here it is pretty hard to miss.

Guest

It’s going to take more than a handful of gift cards from Target and bright lights getting turned on. How sad that people who care about our safety are getting dragged under the bus for this. And some of the loudest people have only seen the fireworks once or twice. If they could only see how much it has changed in just the last few years they might understand. If they only knew how stretched our fire and police are.

Guest

That is your point of view but someone who lives right across from Citizens Park also spoke up for the fireworksat Council. Give the pros, PD&FD Chiefs a chance to come up with a plan. As far as the Market Place, people are going to fill that lot on the 3rd of July anyway to see the fireworks, in Denver, reflected in the lake. Sloan Lake Park has more people on it's West Banks than Edgewater does. And yes they come over here to park, so that problem isn't going away. The Jeffco funds are for more than fireworks, most of that money will go into implementing a plan. I'm also sure the P&R Director will be a little more on the ball this year as she now understands that she is an important part of any plan and needs to more fully coordinate with the other department heads.

and

dialog on the Stick is not helpful. Lets stop with the extremes. The truth is, many want the fireworks and some don't. Hard as it may seem to some of us, there are people out there who just don't like fireworks and on the other hand there are some who don't like New Age celebrations. Lets deal with our diversity and show some tolerance.

Guest

If Sloans Lake is doing fireworks, then why don't we just offer bussing or police crossing across the street to Sloan's? Sure would save a lot of money.

Guest

No one said Sloans is offering fireworks. However the lake offers a nice reflective view of fireworks being set off by other Denver venues. You could offer buses down to Sloans (why not walk it's not that far) but the Lake is full up by four o'clock and the East side of Edgewater fills up shortly there after.
Maybe we could ask Denver not to shoot off their fire works, I'm sure Elitches would love that. I have it, lets offer free bus service for Edgewater residents and their guest to Elitches, Heritage Square and DU. Perhaphs we could just can the whole idea of fireworks nationaly.
Here we go again.

Hephaestus

Forget the whole pyro thing. I shall rain down TEPHRA upon your ungrateful souls!

Guest

Now that could be fun!

Guest

oh owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Sethlans

Don't let the dog get you all in an uproar Hep. Heal Cerberus! Heal! Now roll over like a good boy and beg.

Farmer Scott · Trivia

To the guest(s) at 12:30 and 1:08. Sloans is the name of a local pub in Edgewater. The Denver park you are referring to is Sloan Lake Park.

This is nothing new, just call it a typo.

The Farmer

Guest · Good thinking Farmer

Maybe the bar should do the fireworks. At least the party would be close to the police department.

Guest

No offense taken Farmer Scott but, I think Denver Municipal Government knows the name of it's parks
http://www.denvergov.org/parksand...terPlan/tabid/432361/Default.aspx

Don't Matter

This debate was on 9News a few years ago. The park is known as Sloan Lake, Sloans Lake and Sloan's Lake. I know this for sure, they do not have fireworks there but it is a great view when Elitches or Invesco sets off a show. It's a great view from the Market Place. Cops and or security are going to have to be there whether we have our show or not.

Farmer Scott · An answer, maybe not a good one.

I pretty much agree with "Don't Matter". I think this might just need to be its own topic. For the Guest at 8:26, you stated that the Government knows the name of its parks. I'm not so sure they do. Please go to the site you referrenced or just type in denverparks then goto Find a park. You'll let me know what that says. I'll combine that with its entrance signs and still call it Sloan Lake Park.

Have great day,
That Farmer

Pagan

Just goes to show that the government doesn't know everything if it even knows anything. For myself, I prefer listening to the Gods. They are a lot more interesting than the government.

Guest · Re: An answer, maybe not a good one.

Farmer Scott · Needing a good laugh.

FISH ON!!!

The Farmer

Light up the sky

Listen I lived in Miami for 3 years and if they can have a safe fireworks show I think our Chief's of Police and Fire can make it happen for little Edgewater. There is risk in driving, going to the bank or crossing the street but we still do it everyday. Don't let a decades old tradition expire because your not willing to live with some risk.

Here Here!

and well, heck...haven't they already HAD a safety plan in place for this event that has been going on for 30 plus years! ????????? !

July 04 Fireworks

a thought on Patriotism

Fruit Cake

nuts and legumes

More fruit cake

Thursday night at the movies

wrong day

The solution

Official Patriotic Songs

No, No, No.......

Come up with a solution

Who's complaining?

fireworks and E. Days/music

Thank you

yeah right

To make it happen?

Fire Drum Circle

Please.

Complaints in the toilet

Careful My Darlings

The pyroclastic flow of Edgewater Emotion

Leadership???

History, as teacher

Trivia

Good thinking Farmer

An answer, maybe not a good one.

Re: An answer, maybe not a good one.

Needing a good laugh.