Ice Ranch

Guest · Ice Ranch

Does anyone know what has become of the ice ranch project. I heard it was going to be opn next July. I don't think so at this rate nothing is even being torn down.

Walmart Woman

They are all very busy watching Obama self destruct.
Wrong forum for this post.

Guest

You can't stir the dirt or rip up the asphalt until you go through all the site development processes with the city. they are working on it.

Guest

I heard they lost the financing which if true means the City just gave away land they cant get back fo years.

Guest

I'm sure the City has a performance clause.

Guest

I think if it's not built the City can retain possession after five years.

Guest · Ice Ranch

Read Section 10A of the Agreement (posted on the City's website). It says that construction must commence on or before December 31, 2008, or the Ice Ranch has the option to either pay the City $1,411,732 or return the property to the City.

Guest · Ice Ranch

Guest

I still belive
I have the faith in the Council decision and I have faith that it will go through .
If everyone thinks positive it will happen.

Guest

So is it fact that they are not proceeding with the project due to financing? Or is that just another rumor.

Hopeful · No facts - just silence

I think what you are hearing is concern that nothing has happened yet and speculation about why nothing has happened yet. It doesn't sound to me like anyone knows anything on good authority. I wish our Council would keep us updated so the rumor mill wouldn't start churning. Nature abhors a vacuum...

Kendarian · Yes, someone from Council please update us on the Ice Ranch

not a hockey mom

but love the ice ranch project.......

council is working with the ice ranch people, never fear

Guest · a little more info

For those who find little comfort in the thought that “council is working on it” here’s what was reported last night. Council received a letter from the Ice Ranch explaining that the current economic situation has made it impossible for them to break ground by Dec. 31, 2008. The Ice Ranch is still committed to the project and asked for a 12 month extension to the construction start date.

Guest · thanks for the info

Considering the economic situation, that sounds reasonable to me. I hope Council grants them the extra time, it's still a good project.

Guest

One would assume, knowing the economy will recover, they (council) will wait. What or who else could get that property going any sooner? I agree they need to grant a time extension to the Ice Ranch developers. Times flies, before we know it, another year will have passed and times will be improving once again. Well worth the wait.

Guest

We can always use the parking lot for the big show

Ice Ranch & More

I think the Ice Ranch is a good idea but it seems like we never utilize property to it's fullest potential. I recently visited a City in another State who is capitalizing big time on the poor economy by turning to what what people like when thier down (food - drink and entertainment).

These folks had a much smaller area than 20th and Depew with a similar square layout. They utilized the main street for parking which is what we could do with 20th Ave. They built two story buildings all around a courtyard with retail, food and bars. The center courtyard had radiant in ground heating to keep it open year round and firepits with a stage at one end. The mini entertainment district would hire a rock and roll band each weekend night to play the center courtyard like three dog night for you old timers.

This place packed in thousands of people each night, and had to be generating tons of revenue. If you want the Ice Ranch that's great but if they want an extension let's give it to them if they change the layout to make it more profitable to our City and make it a real destination. We could have the Ice Ranch and much more. Your not taking the Ice Ranch away your just using this to our advantage to make more profits to the City.

The Harlander

Now that's forward thinking. I like it.

So who will pay for the developement? Just a friendly question.

Guest

As the economy improves let the Ice Ranch build the rink but pose the plan to them and ask that the lay out be changed and made available to private investors. Or let the Ice Ranch develop the center and lease the business space out. It will mean many more people exposed to the Ice Ranch and the City. Either way the Ice Ranch folks win and the City wins.

Guest

Where is this city?

Patriot

Will the Ice Ranch or developer make more than $250,000 in one year? If so why would they want to do that if a certain person becomes the leader of the Free World?

Guest

Oh, please, let it go, Patriot. Give us one forum without dragging the election into it.

Frozen

Hmmmmm. He has a point. After all why is the Ice Ranch project now stalled? What happens in Washington does at some point filter down to 20th & Depew. Up to now Edgewater has been it's own worst enemy but we have to look at things in a whole new light with the current economy. Economic hard times has a way of changing everything and the last time I checked no politician wants to really address the storm on the horizon. Nelson McNulty told me , about three years ago, that he felt the country was headed for a depression. Think I'm going to write Nelson in for Prez.

NO WAY

do that and I will load my gun immediately hes the biggest a$$ in this city any one that puts stock in anything that man says needs to have their head examined

Guest · Here we go again...

Specialization of talent is key to success. The Ice Ranch folks are not developers, they are an ice arena family. That is what they know and what they do. To force them to play the role of developer would compromise their ability to do what they do best. I think it is very unfair to even suggest, let alone mandate, that a private investor exceed the scope of their original and agree upon contract. If the city wants a specific development the city can either step up and do it them selves, or put forth the effort to find someone who is interested in doing it for us. That’s our problem. Edgewater is constantly looking for some handout, someone to do ‘it’ for them. The Ice Ranch is interested in, and proposed, an ice arena - period. It is not the Ice Ranch’s responsibility to build some kind of copycat venture that has nothing to do with their business model. If YOU want a stage and live music, go get financed and build a venue. Don’t expect someone else to do it for you.

Guest

I have to agree with guest of 8:17 am. The property has already been deeded to the Ice Ranch. They are only asking for an extension to begin development. It would be unfair, and, in my humble opinion, unwise to put any further restrictions on them. The city is already benefiting with this deal. We get property taxes now. When we owned it there were no property taxes. The land has to be maintained by the owners. This means they have to plow the parking lot when it snows, patch the asphalt, pay for the lighting.....

No idea · Hmmmm

I think that Bonnie and Jim Taylor and Nelson should be allowed to redevelop the Ice Ranch even though Council has already approved the deal (with overwhelming support from the citizens) and the City has deeded the property. Look at how successful that trio of bobbleheads has been for the city already with their great leadershp and ideas.

Maybe we should reconsider putting a nursing home or welfare offices in there after all and then make sure to micromanage the new owners to take care of our own vain delusions. Just an idea.

I am pleased Council finally stood up and made a bold informed decision after watching those idiots spin in circles for the last four years under Nelson's lame leadership.

If Ice Ranch needs an extension, give it to them. Don't be stupid or short-sighted. If they decide also that they want to copy some un-named city's approach to retail entertainment and eateries on the periphery, let them have at it.

As to letting the gang of three monkeys dictate what the Ice Ranch does with the property, not in my lifetime please.

Guest

Ditto that!

Guest

double dog ditto even

Just wondering · Up keep of 20th and Depew

Well, we will see how this arrangement works. Now that the property is in private hands I hope they will care for it. There is a huge piece of graffiti on the wall of the old King Soopers and it has been there for at least a week. I'd sure like to see some action. Also, now that the pizza place is gone can someone please take down that ugly, stupid Pudge Brother's Pizza sign? Talk about visual pollution!

Guest

make it a triple

guest at 8:29

If you see graffitti, report it to the police as soon as you see it. If you sit around and wait for them to find it, you've just added to the time that it sits there.

Regarding the sign, who do you think should take it down? I looked at the city code that is now posted on-line, and there's nothing in there about ugly signs. What is does say is that the Code Enforcement Officer shall have the authority to order the removal of a sign which constitutes a hazard to safety, health or public welfare by reason of inadequate maintenance.

Ice Ranch Fan · The finance log jam is breaking up!

According to something I received today through the Town Cryer it sounds like credit for small business might be beginning to flow again. Can the Ice Ranch be far behind?

Come on Luke! You can do it!

guest

call king soopers and complian

Guest · Graffiti Removal

from City Council meeting minutes:
Councilwoman Keegan noted that a recent CML publication had an article with regard to grant funding available to remove graffiti and said that she thought it might be something that should be pursued.

I sure hope she does look into funding for graffitti removal, it's getting really bad in my alley.

Guest

I believe that at that meeting, Chief Keough said that he was on top of that grant already.

Guest

I'm so sick of looking at that piece of junk building and crumbling lot at 20th and Depew. I know the economy is slow but thats not Edgewaters fault. If the ice ranch folks can't do what they say then let them default and take the property back. I bet the new city manager could find developers who could make something out of it. It's been many many years and i have not seen squat except a bunch of tax payer dollars flushed. Do something now or we homeowners may need to seek legal action.

Go Ice Ranch · Wait for it.

The thing is financing is tight for ALL developers, not just the Ice Ranch folks. This city has been through quite a public process finding the kind of development tha will enhance our quality of life here and give us more recreational activity. If the Ice Ranch can't get financing (and I think they will) we would have to go through the whole process again. Tossing 20th and Depew to just any old developer is NOT going to happen. I agree though, that our City Manager will be of great assistance to shepherd this plan through.

Guest

No point in compaining about the Ice Ranch anymore than complaining about the empty buildings at the Marketplace. There are signed contracts, and council saw fit to extend the Ice Ranch contract for a year to allow the economy to recover so they can get their financing in order.
It seems to me that this is a very simple concept to understand.
There is nothing that the city can do about it at this time.

Guest

The City should never have bought the d#*% property in the first place.

Go Ice Ranch

shoulda, coulda, woulda
I think it has huge potential. Go Ice Ranch!

Waiting in Edgewater

Just the results of another McNutty/Fox project. Seeing is believing. Go Ice Ranch.

Guest

Prewitt is the one that actually signed the purchase agreement for the property and McNulty (neither of them) has had anything to do with anything that has actually happened over there. Council worked there butts off to get the Ice Ranch and the jury is still out on whether that is good or bad.

Waiting a Long Time

It was the McNutty's that wanted to put in a Social Services facility 20th & Depew. The Heritage Center fiasco belongs to the Foxes and the PD sell out belongs to Prewitt as well as the 20th & Depew debacle. We needed a City Manager twenty years ago. What were those fools on the Charter Commission of 92 thinking?

Guest · Don't poke the crazy

Welcome back dude - let's party!

Waiting a Long Time

Guest

Anybody know whats up with the Ice Ranch. The lot has fresh paint marking the location of utilities. Is it a sign that they may be going to scrape the lot?

Ice Ranch

Ice Ranch

Ice Ranch

No facts - just silence

Yes, someone from Council please update us on the Ice Ranch

a little more info

thanks for the info

Here we go again...

Hmmmm

Up keep of 20th and Depew

The finance log jam is breaking up!

Graffiti Removal

Wait for it.

Don't poke the crazy