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City Manager's ProgressWhat do you think?
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Not overly impressed but, not totaly disappointed either. Give him a bit more time. He does seem to want to control Council but he can only do that if they let him.
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Another six months should tell all.
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Six months? Geez! We are not talking about the mayors job as it was so carried out in the past. We are talking about a professional city manager. This is a man who is being paid to do a whole lot of things that nobody else could do. And he will likely do that. But, 6 months? Get real. I would say 2 years to really guage his competency.
And if he can keep council from making asses of themselves in the process, well, more power to him!
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As long as he doesn't run Council. Elected officials are by nature asses but, they are our asses. The CM not unlike the CA, is a hired gun. Council decides what needs doing and instructs the CM to get her done.
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full time help and boy did we need it!No offense, but judging from the quality of HJ's work so far, I think Council would be wise to listen and learn and not worry so much about control issues. Just do your legislative job and try to keep your ego out of it. Represent your constituents and work with the guy who actually has 40 hours a week, during business hours, to get things done. That's not "controlling Council" that is being in a position to be effective. That is why we hired him. We needed someone like that.
I am not at all interested in "our asses" being considered special. An ass is an ass, really.
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To the guest of 2:24 two years to guage HJ's competency please. It only took one month to sell our police station to sloans and now were paying rent. I think he should be able to progress faster than that.
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What?
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Off topic, at best........ | Anonymous wrote: | | To the guest of 2:24 two years to guage HJ's competency please. It only took one month to sell our police station to sloans and now were paying rent. I think he should be able to progress faster than that. |
This comment makes no sense...........
"progresss"
"police station"
What are you trying to say?
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YEP
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| Quote: | This comment makes no sense...........
"progresss"
"police station"
What are you trying to say? |
This is the Talking Stick, it doesn't have to make sense.
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Sense and SensibilityHowever there are those of us who still hold out hope that posters at least try to make sense. 
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Guest
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The last 2 posters need to return to Edgewater Elementary if they can't figure that one out.
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Sense, a hard commodity to come byWould it fly in your face terribly to learn not all of us on the Talkingstick grew up any where near Edgewater, and could not have possibly attended EW Elementary?
Yeah? OK Let me be the messenger, your demographics are changing. Most people who live here now didn't go to school here. Not only that we are a diverse and well educated group. Oooooh scary... 
I think it is time for anyone who reads the Stick to send a link to your neighbor, to the person you met at US Thai or Sloane's. There are many interesting people in Edgewater and I would love it if they joined in the conversation.
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Ed G Waters
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Now see, there is done what the hell I been sayin fer a long time. We've been demographicated here in Edgewater. Now that can be a good thang. A demographicated person has been varitized. They ain't got thier nose stuffed over a damn $50 bottle of wine. They jest might be willing to slam down a Colt 45 with the likes of me. Hell yes!
Now what the hell this has to do with that new City Manager, I ain't got no clue. Then agin I ain't been fully demographitized, a $4 bottle of wine does me jest fine.
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Not only that we are a diverse and well educated group. Oooooh scary...
When you make a commment like this are you referring to the lawmakers at the Lakeview Lounge or the Homeless pissing on the deli floor of Kings?
Never mind I know who wrote that. Oooooooooo now that's scary...
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Is there some unwritten taboo that equates a lawmaker patronizing the Lakeview Lounge to a "homeless" urinating on the Deli floor of King Soopers whereas a lawmaker that frequents Sloans would be compared to property owner pissing on the Deli floor at Whole Foods.
That is some messed up imagery and has little to do with the City Manager. I hope you aren't on the CRCC, Board of Adjustments, Planning and Zoning Board, Parks and Recreation Board, the City Council or our sitting Mayor. Actually I hope you are that "homless" (as you call them) pissing on the Deli floor of King Soopers. It might teach you a bit of humility.
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Come on people. Dissing on posters is doing no one any good. Can we please go back to talking issues.
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be more specific, maybe?the original question was how is the new CM doing in our estimation, maybe it would help if we sighted an example of actual work or other action he has taken and weigh in on that one specific example
BTW, i agree with the above poster
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On the Edge
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Well let's see. I notice a higher Police presence on the streets. The City Clerk no longer takes off half of Thursday and half of Friday. We have a new P&R Director, to soon to judge that one. So the Departments seem to be operating more efficiently. The part that concerns me though is that he seems to handle Council like it is just another Department. I have not yet seen where he has assigned a Department head to each Board or Commission as directed by our Charter but then again Council has not yet passed the ordinances stating to whom each B&C advises as per Charter.
In my brief conversations with the CM, I did not pickup that he has given our Charter much thought. Then again, by Councils example......should he? Yet it is our Charter that put him in his position. Has the will of the people been forgotten so soon? Forgotten by the Council and never even considered by the CM?
It's an election year. Do you have some hard questions for these candidates? I know I do. Do you work for us or do you work for the CM and CA?
Get a decent Council and the CM and CA will do a good job. It's all in our hands. It's called Representative Government.
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Guest
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CM's are like Firefighters, meaning the job is mostly the same no matter where you work. I would think HJ knows the problems and is more concerned with fixing them than memorizing the charter.
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I like the firefighter comparison. Like firefighting prioritizing what needs to be done first is important. The manager is buried in our financials right now. Boards and commissions are hardly a ‘fire’ that needs putting out. I think he is doing a very good job.
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On The Edge
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| Quote: | | The manager is buried in our financials right now. Boards and commissions are hardly a ‘fire’ that needs putting out. |
HJ can't multi task? I hardly think that's true. After all he also wanted to be the Director of ERA. So I don't believe multi tasking is an issue.
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Maybe he realizes that the boards and commissions are just fine. I'm listening, but I'm not hearing of any board that is struggling.
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Keystone
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| Quote: | | I'm listening, but I'm not hearing of any board that is struggling. |
Are you in attendance at all Board and Commission meetings and workshops? At some point the fundamentals of the Charter requirements will effect the performance of any given Board or Commission. That small legal point hidden in the legal process. It's kind of like a code unenforced and the legal ramifications that can bring. Out of sight, out of mind is not a viable strategy. View our Charter as a cornerstone to a building. Well placed and attended to, the building is strong. Ignored and neglected that cornerstone turns into a liability that threatens the very foundation and integrity of the building.
Just saying.............
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Meow
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 It has been said!!!!!!!!!!!!! You peanuts will run him out of town in record time. What will we do then ??????? Start from scratch with another nationwide search? Does the charter mention how many nationwide searches the City can afford before we find somebody who we just let do the job. All I see from the peanuts is a bunch of back seat quarter backing from people who are so screwed up this is all they have to live for.
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If I understand you correctly Meow, I agree. Let the man do his job! The last thing we need is a bunch a peanuts bitching about the little things. All things will be attended to at an appropriate time. The scheduling of priorities is a job best suited for the manager.
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Surprise! The Charter is not God!it is a guiding document
go find a healthy hobby, you Charter obsessive.
LET THE CITY MANAGER DO HIS JOB!, please.
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Almond Joy
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So lets see here. This thread was started to debate the City Managers performance to date. Some of what I have read here has been positive and some has been negative. You expect that in a debate. Then along comes the Rah, rah folks drowning out any criticism of the Manager as if he is going to pack-up tomorrow and leave based on a few TS posts. I get it, the Manager has a peanut gallery. So who's the nut now?
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| Quote: | | LET THE CITY MANAGER DO HIS JOB!, please. |
Has anybody interfered in with the Manager doing his job? I've heard opinions but has anyone actually done anything to hinder the man in his position and performance? Somebody needs to get a life away from TS Reality.
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As soon as some council candidate that shares the charter-is-god thing above gets elected, the interference will begin.
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Weakness of Mind
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To feel threatened by opinion is a weakness of character I am thankful I do not have. I have no desire to silence those whom do not agree with me, I do not mock them simply for thinking for themselves. I listen, I learn and I make up my own mind. If the thoughts of another influence the people of power, then that is the way it is and I attempt to make my voice heard. I fear no ones opinion and I hope they do not fear mine.
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The Anarchist
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We have a book here in the City called the Code Book. It contains all the laws, rules and procedures that govern our little city. The very first thing in the Code Book is the City Charter. Why is that?
Perhaphs we should throw out the whole Code Book thingy and declare anarchy complete with War Lords and Man Gods. That would make it all better.
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response to Almond Joy | Quote: | | I get it, the Manager has a peanut gallery. So who's the nut now? |
You must be new around here. You are correct, I, for one, feel rather protective of the CM but for good reason, in my opinion. Edgewater has never had and has desperately needed some professional help, so to speak, for a long time.
Like many Edgewater residents and on more occassions than I can count, I have experienced great frustration, frequent disappointment and real financial damage at the inexperienced but well meaning hands of our lay city leadership. Call me nutty if you want.
I don't want the rumor mill, that is so destructive here, to get in the way of some reasonable, forward progress.
I also think it is much too soon to ask the question, "how is the CM doing?" It is this kind of "first impression" bias that fans the flames of the rumor mill.
I like how he has shortened the City Council meetings, focused and educated the City Council and helped them to be more decisive and productive.
Otherwise, I am willing to give him time. Edgewater didn't get this way over night, it's going to take awhile to sort it out.
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Guest 2
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I don't know that I fully agree with you but you present a well thought out position. Thank you for the post. And yes it is to soon to be asking "how the CM is doing".
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You are welcome.
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| Quote: | | The very first thing in the Code Book is the City Charter. Why is that? |
Because it is the root law of the City. I get sick and tired of my City officials ignoring it. I'm going to remeber them come November and they won't get my vote! They have had a year and a half to comply with it. Come on, selecting a City Manager wasn't that hard. Some of them still think the Mayor still runs this town and deserves higher pay than a Councilman. $500 a month for a ribbon cutter, baby kisser.....priceless.
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Guest
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Pay attention. The charter is not being ignored. And yes we get your point. You hate the mayor. BTW - what does the mayor’s pay have to do with the manager’s progress?
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Guest
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Unwarranted pay being given to the Mayor reduces revenues that could be put to better use in managing the City. Every penny counts. No, I don't hate the Mayor but, I do understand that the nature of that position changed when we adopted the new Charter. The Mayor should receive the same or slightly less compensation than Council is allotted.
This is not rocket science folks.
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| Anonymous wrote: | | ...or slightly less compensation than Council ... |
Please justify this.
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It is simply my opinion and needs no justification but I would be willing to explain my thinking on the matter. Except in the case of a tie the Mayor has no voting power. It's that simple. I would not be opposed to the Mayor making equal to Council either. As a matter of fact it might even be a good idea to cut council back by $25.00 a month in these hard economic times. But that's just me.
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Guest
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New topics for different issuesGuest of Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:34 am and on I believe Charter issues and Mayor's pay belong in different topics than the City Manager's progress.
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