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Gardener Boy
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Charter Question???Were sitting members on council allowed to write parts of the charter?
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Gardner Boy
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No Answers????John Moreno And leanna Hale served as heads of the Charter Commission. Harlander where are the answers? Leanne where are the answers?Did Gardener boy author any other part of the charter?????
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Gardener Boy
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As always the truth is absent in edgewater....Why no answers harlander or hale???? Everyone knew that the charter was tainted with POLITICAL influence from sitting council members. And now a council member looking for re-election admits to pennig part of the charter. Step up sword boy and tell the truth...What else was written by sitting politicians??? And for all you people that think your anoymous. This is a private board and they are running a URL ID process. They know exactly who you are.....
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Devon Barclay
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Our City's CharterOur new City Charter did two things - 1) it provided effective, modern government for our City, and 2) it made sure that if your property is taken for commercial development, you get paid out extra for what the City did to you.
It also did a few other things. It mandated a Commission that will bring your officials to their knees if they break the law. It stopped elected officials from creating advisory boards or commissions that advise staff if elected officials are on it.
Edgewater has a really, really fine City Charter. If you have questions about the Charter, please call me. My cell is 720-841-8196.
Adam Gardner brought an idea to the Convention. We debated it. We favored it (after lots and lots of work). And we put it in the Charter. Another councilman asked us to write a Charter that would let an appointed fire department official serve on Council. We didn't accept that.
Your Charter Commission served you through 200+ hours of meetings, and improved this City. Our officials don't like all of it (Councilman Cooke certainly didn't) but it is now law. And it's currently improving our community.
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JB Freeman
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To G-BoyI sat on the Charter Commission and I'm here to tell you that NO elected official wrote ANY part of the Charter. Councilmen Gardner and Bertapele both offered suggestions. Both had strong reasons for their suggestions. The Commission took these suggestions under advisement. Councilman Bertapele's suggestion was debated for quite a while and declined. Councilman Gardner's suggestion regarding eminent domain was also long debated. The Commission added what it felt were improvements to some basic language provided by Councilman Gardner and the group accepted that language. It is interesting to note that persons on both sides of the political spectrum were in favor and persons on both sides of the political spectrum were opposed to that measure, for a wide variety of reasons. And the language in teh Charter is the Commission's, not Mr. Gardner's.
Respectfully,
JBF
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Gardener Boy
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More Edgewater BS....Hey jb,
So you say that garden boy didnt write the charter. His quote from his reelection flyer"I was proud to author". JB you dont live in Edgewater now. Are you doing a phallic thing to make up for losing a council spot by one vote to a person that never campaigned.So is Juanita still a moderator here even though you dont live here. Feeling like a failure Over your inability to admit the chatrer was a joke.Twelve to fifteen chater members that let Mr.Ice Ranch dictate the charter. This was supposed to be a free iniative .Great job. Tell the truth. How many charter members were threatened with: If you dont like it you can leave??? Your arrogance against all the citizens of edgewater is dead. Go away No one wants you here.
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Gardener Boy
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Totally unique URL.....Never been used on this board. If Juanita and Adam plus the other old time edgewater fascists can ID it I will kiss your ass in public jb.....
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Guest
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Re: More Edgewater BS.... | Gardener Boy wrote: | Hey jb,
So you say that garden boy didnt write the charter. His quote from his reelection flyer"I was proud to author". JB you dont live in Edgewater now. Are you doing a phallic thing to make up for losing a council spot by one vote to a person that never campaigned.So is Juanita still a moderator here even though you dont live here. Feeling like a failure Over your inability to admit the chatrer was a joke.Twelve to fifteen chater members that let Mr.Ice Ranch dictate the charter. This was supposed to be a free iniative .Great job. Tell the truth. How many charter members were threatened with: If you dont like it you can leave??? Your arrogance against all the citizens of edgewater is dead. Go away No one wants you here. |
The quoted post here is very much out of line. As to the points about the charter, JB's account of the procsses is correct. As to the reelection flyer, maybe Adam shouldn't have stated it the way he did. I can see how it might mislead someone, but, ANYONE, reagardless of whether or not they were on council, were welcomed, and encouraged to contribure to the charter discussions. In fact, many of the ideas discussed came from people other than the 15 people on the commission.
The rest of the post is extremely indignant, and I hope a moderator removes it. The Freemans are good neighbors, and I was sad to see them leave.
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whythefuss?
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So much fuss, but aren't council members first and foremost citizens who all should have been allowed to voice input on the charter?
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JBF
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Gardener Boy - Love them little mousies.....................Ah, Gardener Boy, such vitriol! It's funny, isn't it, that you can often tell who someone is by their speaking or writing style? And Gardener Boy, with your response to "URL" it's obvious it's you, RL! Former member of B of A&A. Have you ever registered your garage business with the city? Have you paid up on your taxes? Or do you continue to try to maintain the same anonymity you try here on the Stick?
If Adam has claimed in his campaign literature that he wrote a section of the Charter his claims are not completely true, to my memory. I recall that Adam presented language to the Commission and that it was accepted in the main, but with rewrites. I will admit that I need to go back over my notes and the Commission minutes to verify that my memories are correct. After all, it was a hectic and exhausting time, and memories can be faulty in such circumstances. The main thing to know (or remember) is that ALL citizens were free to have input and yours, RL, was among that input, even if by omission. As I often say, "must be present to win". If you were not present, RL, the fault is not that of those who were. Adam can be proud that he brought this important issue before the Commission, as a CITIZEN, NOT A COUNCIL PERSON, and championed it, and that his well-reasoned argument was accepted. This section of the Charter protects YOU, RL, and every citizen, and to denigrate it because of Adam's involvement is both disingenuous and low. As anyone who reads The Stick knows, I do NOT always agree with Adam. In fact, I often disagree - PAYT being an example (Adam is a bleeding heart for commercial trash haulers, I am an unabashed champion of City Workers performing this service). Despite our disagreements I respect Adam's integrity and commitment to Edgewater, and his accomplishments during his tenure on Council, and for what it's worth I would not hesitate to vote for him again, despite our differences. I know that you will do your RL (Rush Limbaugh) alter-ego rant over an endorsement by me - hi ho.
RL, you say that Commission members were threatened with some kind of "love it or leave it" language. This is categorically untrue. The fact is that we pleaded with EVERYONE to stay on the commission, despite differences, so that as much input as possible was included. For us liberals (sorry to use such a dirty word in your delicate presence) we want EVERYONE to have a voice, not just those we agree with.
I have to admit, I got a good laugh out of your "phallic" reference - people with feelings of inadequacy are so quick to use terms like that as a masking device. Sorry to hear you don't feel better about yourself, but hi ho - it's your life.
For myself, I was happy to have run for council, happy to have had the chance to talk with so many of the citizens and listened to their concerns, and - yes - sorry to have lost, since I believe in serving Edgewater. Joan won, Joan serves - that's what Democracy is, RL. Get used to it - I have. I wish Joan and ALL Council members only the best during their tenure on Council.
As for "you don't live in Edgewater now", we still OWN in Edgewater,and we still feel a huge connection to all the good people (and hey, RL, even some of the not-so-good) in Edgewater, and we want to see Edgewater flourish, both for the sake of our investment and for the sake of all the good people who live in Edgewater. So no - we won't just go away because we're not in the hood when we wake up each morning. Edgewater is too fine a place to abandon, and we won't be driven away by people who are too deep in their Friday Happy Hour to be polite.
We are both proud of our service on the Charter Commission, and of the document that the Commission produced. If you wanted it to be different you should have joined Mr. Gardner and other citizens in the audience to provide input. Believe it or not, RL, it would have been welcome.
For the future, G-Boy, I hope that you can treat the Stick as something better than a TeaBagger-Town meeting and respect the community you live in, and all its citizens, with all their diverse views, whether you agree or not. Polite discourse is a hallmark of civilization, and you sir, are not yet civilized.
To Guest at 7:34, thank you for your kind thoughts, we were sad to go in so many ways, but I get to walk or bike to work now and improve my health with the exercise, so it was a worthwhile if not completely happy (missing all of you) move.
A beautiful, snowy Saturday morning out there, I think I'll go enjoy it now.
JBF
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JBF
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PS, G-Boy"kiss your ass in public, jb"............... G-Boy - I'm UNCOMFORTABLE!!!!!!!!
But YOU, G-Boy.....................
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Gardener Boy
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JB Freeman Thinks He's an Intellectualjb,
Do you realize that you would have won the city council election if you had not campaigned. Once people met and talked to you they thought you were a dick. Losing a campaign against a women that did not campaign... I'll bet you cant figure that out. As to me being RL. No sorry to say its not.Note: There are six of us and he is among the group that have more social skills in our children than you. And be very careful as slander in this case would affect you.The URL is available to your wife as a moderator. Does anyone have a problem with this board being controlled by some one in Lakewood????There has been a group of citizens for a long time waiting for the rats to move on. Why not ask garden boy why he wont answer four questions from a commitee to promote edgewater??? Remember he wrote the charter. jb you may think your superior to everyone. But the bottom line is your a jerk with mommy problems.....
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Guest
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It's too bad that the stick doesn't have an idiot meter that prevents asses like 'Gardener boy?' from posting.
What exactly is it that you hope to gain from your nasty remarks about Juanita and JB? I do believe that, for the most part, the people who visit these forums, although opinionated, don't hold with that kind of nastiness.
For your information Juanita started this forum so people (yes, even idiots like yourself) can feel free to express their opinions and discuss things that aren't so easily discussed in public. On occasion someone will come along and abuse that freedom, such as you did. I am inclined to believe that you are the same idiot that started the talkingstick 2 piece of junk that came and went a couple of years ago. That nasty post of yours was just that style.
So if you think that she has no right to moderate this forum, think again. It's because of her that you are able to spread your vitriol. (Very apt descriptive, JB) I suggest you find another forum (or try to start one again - yeah, good luck with that).
Take your own advice and just go away. You aren't wanted here.
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Gardener Boy
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Photo oppIt would only happen at a city council meeting... And the butt must be bare:)
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Gardener Boy
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Idiot????Idiot??? For us to question a council member that had the city spend $150,000 on an Ice rink that will never exist and then write a city charter that proves edgewater residents are dead above the neck???? Get a life fool or go back to school. There are alot of residents ready to challenge the old guard that has destroyed the city.....
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Guest
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Re: JB Freeman Thinks He's an Intellectual | Gardener Boy wrote: | jb,
....The URL is available to your wife as a moderator. Does anyone have a problem with this board being controlled by some one in Lakewood????..... |
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IF what you claim is true about who is moderating this site then I have two thoughts. First, what difference does it make where the moderator lives. Maybe someone not so close would be good. Second, KUDOS to their dedication to the forum. Not removing some of these comments demonstrates some most admirable personal characteristics.
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Guest
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URL is not a sure thingFYI Idiot boy. The moderator can only tell who is posting if they are logged in and using the same computer as they logged in under. The URL's will show a multitude of posters under the very same URL. One can never be sure who is posting. If you don't believe me check it out with myfreeforum.org owners.
And as far as you being an idiot goes, it has nothing to do with you questioning city funds or the charter. It has to do with your whole tone. You remind me very much of a council candidate who is too lazy to campaign or too arrogant to think the voters have a right to know what he is campaigning for. He is an angry, bitter old man who just wants to get on council to spew his vitriol - kind of like you. And knowing that there are 5 open slots he believes he can just slide into one with no questions. The scarey part is that he may very well do so. It seems to be very easy to rant and rave without any accountability. I just did. So who the hell am I?
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Guest
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bringing a topic back to substantive discourse | Quote: | | As to me being RL. No sorry to say its not.Note: There are six of us and he is among the group that have more social skills in our children than you. |
Is he saying there are six of him? Well, if that's the case each one of your personalities should register under a different user name so we can tell you apart. Hopefully, some of you are a little more pleasant to your neighbors and hopefully some of you have the ego strength to not go personnal when your arguments are refuted by people who were actually participating in and witness to the events you refer to and merely attempting to clear the record.
For example: No one could control the economic recession that has prevented many businesses from acquiring the necessary start up capital to start new ventures. The Ice Ranch, Inc. has been earnestly trying to procure funding and struggling with this economic reality along with everyone else. I know that because from time to time I talk with them to see how things are coming along and I can tell you they have been trying.
It's a real stretch of logic and reality to blame this economic downturn on Councilman Gardner. I mean, he's an influential guy but not that influential!
Secondly: The community was supportive of this project. Russ Caldwell, our astute financial advisor advised the City to go ahead with this project and the City Council sanctioned this project. There was a vote, if you recall.
Again, it is completely unfair for you to single out someone and lay blame at their feet.
Could it be that fairness isn't really an issue with you?
You say the City has lost $150,000. on an ice rink that will never exist. I'd like to know your sources for that number. In addition, I suspect The Ice Ranch, Inc. has expended far more funds than that in architectural services, hours of creating and presenting a business plan to financiers and all the other fees and services associated with a venture of this size.
It's business, you pay your money and you take your chances. I find them to be far more elegant about this topic considering their investment in this project. So, please save your bellowing and crocodile tears. It isn't dignified and in case anyone from the Ice Ranch reads these forums, this person does not represent the community.
Personally, I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who was involved with this project for all your hard work and vision, whether or not it is able to go forward. It was a good, strong effort to provide revenue for the City and recreational services for the citizens. It either will be wonderful for the City or would have been wonderful for the City. Time will tell.
The Ice Ranch people have been nothing but sincere, dedicated and community minded, I wish them success and if they are unable to build in Edgewater it will most certainly be Edgewater's loss.
As for Edgewater residents being "dead above the neck"….. To proclaim to your community that the majority of the people who live in your community and voted to adopt the City Charter are less than your intellectual equal (i.e. “dead above the neck”) because they didn’t agree with your position, is somehow at odds with you accusing others of considering themselves intellectuals. You seem to be saying that you are intellectually superior to the residents who voted in favor of the charter.
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Guest
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Look it up | Quote: | | The moderator can only tell who is posting if they are logged in and using the same computer as they logged in under. The URL's will show a multitude of posters under the very same URL. One can never be sure who is posting. If you don't believe me check it out with myfreeforum.org owners. |
This statement is true and the fact is, I think by now everyone should know the Talking Stick doesn't really care who you are or what URL you are logged in on. It is contrary to the purpose of the Talking Stick.
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Guest
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Off topic post - deleted
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Appreciation
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The Freeman family is hugely missed. They are forward thinking, involved and open-minded people. We can only hope that more kind and conscientious people such as the Freemans will come here and call our city home. Their hard work on the Charter, addressing difficult city issues and supporting our boards and commissions are appreciated. Not by some obviously, but by most.
Thank you again. Your involvement with the drafting of the Charter was invaluable. You helped lead our city forward with this document to a new form of government with strong city manager leadership.
To the nasty, sour grapes in our community, break free. Take up skydiving, see the world from a new perspective. You need a new hobby. We will progress with or without you.
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